RMT takes over

[johnofgwent]

  What a shame she is a woman! I really ought to be loyal to the sisters but there is a limit!

Whilst I HOPE that the image and caption posted (which I had seen elsewhere) was an exaggeration, her actual performance in TV Interviews while in the role of shadow home secretary, a post handed to her mainly because no one else would have it, but also as a reward for bring Corbyns Rent Girl in the days he would invite fellow politicians round to his place to show how multicultural he was in his choice of shagging partners, was bloody lamentable.

It sickens me to think how many astute, intelligent, mentally agile men were cast into the gutter to let this prick have a front bench seat. And prick is the only fit term to use

[T00ts]

     What a shame she is a woman! I really ought to be loyal to the sisters but there is a limit!

[Nick]

[Thomas]

I didn't say capitalism was evil. I support a capitalism that is spread throughout any local, in the form of small retail , manufacture ,etc. not the giants of commerce, eating those small traders and spitting them out. Which will in the end result in people doing as I suggest. Your obsession with Starmer, blinds you to a lot.
As ever you fail to know what I'm all about,Thomas,.

waffling on about the general law of capitalist accumulation and all the other empty headed labour party tropes while you sit on here supporting the red tories. Its fackin laughable.

Ex labour MSP neil findlay has been slating multi millionaire Starmer and his sidekick sarwar in the scottish press for thier coalition deals with the tories. His words went along the lines of the starmer labour party being despicable , how no soicalist should touch them with a barge pole and how starmers labour have betrayed "Findlays class".

I know exactly what you are all about , and that disgusting party of yours , and that is why you hate my posts on this forum.

[Good old]

if only we had a party of southern middle class champagne socialists to deliver us all from the evils of the nasty capitalists. Like the one headed by sir keir knight of the realm my da was a tool maker.

He certainly was wasnt he?

Dear god in heaven above.

The evils of capitalism from a man who supports the red tories. you couldnt make this stuff up.

Come back pappysmurf all is forgiven.

I didn't say capitalism was evil. I support a capitalism that is spread throughout any local, in the form of small retail , manufacture ,etc. not the giants of commerce, eating those small traders and spitting them out. Which will in the end result in people doing as I suggest. Your obsession with Starmer, blinds you to a lot.
As ever you fail to know what I'm all about,Thomas,.

[Thomas]

Live on set meals ,and read up on how their ancestors belief in a bigger capitalism that killed off the ability to take part in a minor way, led them to where they are.

if only we had a party of southern middle class champagne socialists to deliver us all from the evils of the nasty capitalists. Like the one headed by sir keir knight of the realm my da was a tool maker.

He certainly was wasnt he?

Dear god in heaven above.

The evils of capitalism from a man who supports the red tories. you couldnt make this stuff up.

Come back pappysmurf all is forgiven.

[Good old]

The problem is what happens to all the plebs what are they going to do all day long?

Live on set meals ,and read up on how their ancestors belief in a bigger capitalism that killed off the ability to take part in a minor way, led them to where they are.

[Thomas]

The problem is what happens to all the plebs what are they going to do all day long?

Doesnt seem to be a problem in manchester cromwell. Despite all the unemployment , my cousin owns a pie shop in lancashire  , and he said if it wasnt for all the unemployed mancs he wouldnt make a penny.

Where do you get all the money from? You must be doing something all day long?

[cromwell]

I guess the canal folk, carters, stage coach operators, horse-drawn bus companies, coastal tramp steamers, ostlers, farriers, etc, etc, etc, all thought the same when steam trains and motor transport came in.

More recently, miners and farm hands and doorstep milk deliverers have found their jobs disappearing too.

But where are they — and we — now?

We've a shortage of labour at many levels and fewer unemployed than for decades. And I bet, before long, there's going to be a serious call to make up the shortfall by easing recruitment from overseas.

At the moment, unfortunately, we have too many union dinosaurs, politicians and mangers thinking in terms of money now instead of how to maintain income in the future...

Yeah I expected this but the population size now and advent of AI bear no relation to the industrial revolution and luddites.

There is a real problem on the horizon but why would ai worry it those much younger who will have to cope with this.

[patman post]

The problem is Pat that it's not just the railways it's a lot of other things too,that sounds great to the money people who employ less and less people.

The problem is what happens to all the plebs what are they going to do all day long?

I guess the canal folk, carters, stage coach operators, horse-drawn bus companies, coastal tramp steamers, ostlers, farriers, etc, etc, etc, all thought the same when steam trains and motor transport came in.

More recently, miners and farm hands and doorstep milk deliverers have found their jobs disappearing too.

But where are they — and we — now?

We've a shortage of labour at many levels and fewer unemployed than for decades. And I bet, before long, there's going to be a serious call to make up the shortfall by easing recruitment from overseas.

At the moment, unfortunately, we have too many union dinosaurs, politicians and mangers thinking in terms of money now instead of how to maintain income in the future...

[Borchester]

The problem is Pat that it's not just the railways it's a lot of other things too,that sounds great to the money people who employ less and less people.

The problem is what happens to all the plebs what are they going to do all day long?

Something that will bother our betters more than us.

A couple of thousand years ago the Alexandrians were believed to have invented a steam pump that would take water to the top of the lighthouse, instead of the traditional method of slaves puffing up the stairs with buckets.

The City Fathers rejected the idea on the grounds that it would make the slaves lazy.

No one appears to have asked the slaves

[Borchester]

Don't understand your problem with the Docklands Light Railway — it's almost a delight to use (if any commuting-type travel can be termed a delight).

With the kids sitting up front pretending to drive the train

Turkeys don't vote for Christmas and the unions oppose driverless trains because they will break their members rice bowls. Tough on the drivers but there you go.

[cromwell]

Don't understand your problem with the Docklands Light Railway — it's almost a delight to use (if any commuting-type travel can be termed a delight).

I suspect union pressure is the major reason automatic metro/railway/tram systems haven't been more widely installed (in other countries as well as here) rather than safety or technical issues.

There are, however, at least six EU countries that have fully automated metro lines...

The problem is Pat that it's not just the railways it's a lot of other things too,that sounds great to the money people who employ less and less people.

The problem is what happens to all the plebs what are they going to do all day long?

[patman post]

Don't understand your problem with the Docklands Light Railway — it's almost a delight to use (if any commuting-type travel can be termed a delight).

I suspect union pressure is the major reason automatic metro/railway/tram systems haven't been more widely installed (in other countries as well as here) rather than safety or technical issues.

There are, however, at least six EU countries that have fully automated metro lines...

[johnofgwent]

Transport has always been a poor payer. Every so often the Daily Mail will come up with tales of tube drivers sitting in gold plated cabs, but the traditional rule was poor pay and not much work.

A friend of mine is a train driver with London Transport and he made the point that right now he is doing well, but the first chance it gets the management will replace him with a driverless train, so in the meanwhile he will squeeze TFL for all he can get.

The Daily Mail would have people believe the people who clean the drunk's vomit off the platforms are in the same pay as the drivers. 

As others point out, thus is far from the case. 

Back in 1994 I earned every penny I invoiced when I proved with a train set the size of the one blue Peter used to have in the studio, that a driverless tube train on the jubilee line extension sidings would cheerfully, immediately you powered it up, proceed at pretty much full power straight on to the main line to receive it's platform update messages, having sod all regard for the signals. Ladbroke Grove here we come.

I rode a DLR driverless train to I think it was the Cutty Sark station about five years ago. It gave me nightmares.