Britain's decision to tear up Northern Ireland Protocol 'astonishing people around the world'

[Thomas]

No implication.
A statement of fact.
NI is not part of the EU.

If you wish to argue this further, please find someone else to engage with on that topic.

Once again you are arguing semantics. Northern ireland is in the european single market for goods , and there is a customs border between us ( the ruk) and them.

This is contrary to the brexit referendum result of the uk electorate im told by your very own countrymen on forums like this , and as such must end.

Denying facts make you look extremely foolish and silly.

Burying your head in the sand wont make the problem go away baffy.

[Baff]

yyou are trying to insinuate northern ireland isnt part of the eu 

No implication.
A statement of fact.
NI is not part of the EU.

If you wish to argue this further, please find someone else to engage with on that topic.

[Thomas]

If the public perceives that Remoaner narratives are true and correct and that Boris is pandering to them, yes.
If on the other hand the public perceives that Remoaner narratives are incorrect or adverse to their wishes, all Boris needs to be seen to be doing is openly challenging them. Trying to fix it.
The electorate will do the rest.

The public will then as before act to remove all those supporting remoaner narratives or attempting to block Boris's endeavours to get this resolved.

In short, he wants to fight another election on the very issues that gave him a landslide win last time.

"Powell is totally vindicated," said Jonathan Tonge, a professor of politics at Liverpool University. "Johnson's deal was a piece of political expediency, almost unsurpassed, by which he got Brexit  part done. But it's a terrible deal, because it really does treat Northern Ireland as a place apart, and you can understand the unionist outrage. Johnson either didn't read his own deal properly – or, more likely, he knew full well what he was doing and just thought he could renege on it later."

[Thomas]

If the public perceives that Remoaner narratives are true and correct and that Boris is pandering to them, yes.
If on the other hand the public perceives that Remoaner narratives are incorrect or adverse to their wishes, all Boris needs to be seen to be doing is openly challenging them. Trying to fix it.
The electorate will do the rest.

The public will then as before act to remove all those supporting remoaner narratives or attempting to block Boris's endeavours to get this resolved.

In short, he wants to fight another election on the very issues that gave him a landslide win last time.

The Northern Ireland Protocol keeps the province in the European single market for goods, meaning a customs border in the Irish Sea. This after Johnson told the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) conference in 2018 that "no British Conservative government could or should sign up to any [...] agreement" requiring any such frontier within the UK.

[Thomas]

I think so too.
As I said unfinished business.

you are wriggling here. One minute , you are trying to insinuate northern ireland isnt part of the eu , and argue semantics , and then faced with irrefutable proof , you move the goal posts and agree saying things are unfinished business.

It might indeed be unfinished business , but thats not the point. The point is the debacle of northern irelands position is extremely damaging to the uk ,and more to the point it was johnson and his government that left the province in the eu. probably the first uk prime minister since lloyd george to have lost part of the uk state.

I think the actual jurisdiction is however quite diminutive. In that it applies to the operation of NI protocol and nothing more.

you can keep trying to spin it as you please , its still hugely embarressing for the uk to have the eu take part of its own sovereign state , and impose a customs border between the p[rovince and the ruk.

I was told brexit was a uk vote  , and the uk had to leave the eu. That patently hasnt happend has it.

[Baff]

You are the one arguing semantics and clutching at a large bunch of straws baffy. Facts are chiels that winnae ding as burns said.

If boris continues to cowardly cave into the EU and leave northern ireland in the single market  , then no amount of head burying and delusional denial is going to save him from the wrath of the uk brexiter public nor stop the world laughing.

If the public perceives that Remoaner narratives are true and correct and that Boris is pandering to them, yes.
If on the other hand the public perceives that Remoaner narratives are incorrect or adverse to their wishes, all Boris needs to be seen to be doing is openly challenging them. Trying to fix it.
The electorate will do the rest.

The public will then as before act to remove all those supporting remoaner narratives or attempting to block Boris's endeavours to get this resolved.

In short, he wants to fight another election on the very issues that gave him a landslide win last time.

[Baff]

The very fact the ecj still has jurisdiction over the 6 counties really is embarressingly laughable. 

I think so too.
As I said unfinished business.

I think the actual jurisdiction is however quite diminutive. In that it applies to the diplomatic operation of NI protocol and nothing more.
If it wasn't such a totemic part of the Brexit issue it would not be being overplayed as much as it is.
None the less, there is not much trust of either UK or EU government in this regard and it needs to go for people to see that what they have voted for has come to pass.

[Thomas]

You are of course arguing semantics here.
It says "in effect" remained in the EU single market. This is because NI remains so closely aligned to the EU single market and has been following a policy of doing so.



https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/840230/Revised_Protocol_to_the_Withdrawal_Agreement.pdf

You are the one arguing semantics and clutching at a large bunch of straws baffy. Facts are chiels that winnae ding as burns said.

If boris continues to cowardly cave into the EU and leave northern ireland in the single market  , then no amount of head burying and delusional denial is going to save him from the wrath of the uk brexiter public nor stop the world laughing.

[Baff]

NI has in effect remained in the EU's single market for goods (England, Scotland and Wales have left the EU's single market for goods).
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/eu-exit-and-northern-ireland-protocol

This is the likely explanation for the Province's matching the London area in being the UK's best economically performing regions...
https://www.nisra.gov.uk/statistics/nisra-economic-and-labour-market-statistics-elms/economic-overview

You are of course arguing semantics here.
It says "in effect" remained in the EU single market. This is because NI remains so closely aligned to the EU single market and has been following a policy of doing so.

HAVING REGARD to the importance of maintaining the integral place of Northern Ireland in the United Kingdom's internal market,
Having regard to Northern Ireland's integral place in the United Kingdom's internal market, the Union and the United Kingdom shall use their best endeavours to facilitate the trade between Northern Ireland and other parts of the United Kingdom, in accordance with applicable legislation and taking into account their respective regulatory regimes as well as the implementation thereof. The Joint Committee shall keep the application of this paragraph under constant review and shall adopt appropriate recommendations with a view to avoiding controls at the ports and airports of Northern Ireland to the extent possible.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/840230/Revised_Protocol_to_the_Withdrawal_Agreement.pdf

1. Without prejudice to the provisions of Union law referred to in Annex 2 to this Protocol, the lawfulness of placing goods on the market in Northern Ireland shall be governed by the law of the United Kingdom as well as, as regards goods imported from the Union, by Articles 34 and 36 TFEU.

[Thomas]

No country needs the permission of a foreign court to end an international treaty.

i would have thought so as well baffy boy , but its not what some of your fellow countrymen were telling me on this very forum the other day.

[Thomas]

Nope.
Has anyone?

No country needs the permission of a foreign court to end an international treaty.
If the UK government wants to end a treaty the permission it must ask, if any, is that of parliament.

The role of the ECJ in the NI protocol is to judge whether or not a party is acting in full compliance to it.
The EU may for example make the case that the correct notice period had not been given for any unilateral action. Or that the proposed changes were not proprotional or that the conditions for taking this action have not been otherwise met.

are you moving on afterbeing bombarded with facts regarding northern ireland still being in the EU baffy boy?

The very fact the ecj still has jurisdiction over the 6 counties really is embarressingly laughable.  


Whenever the northern irish want to know something , they ask the bosses in brussells.

[Baff]

Have you asked permission from the european courts of justice to end the protocol yet baffy? I tell you if we want to know something we ask the bosses in brussells rather than the monkeys  in london.

Nope.
Has anyone?

No country needs the permission of a foreign court to end an international treaty.
If the UK government wants to end a treaty the permission it must ask, if any, is that of parliament.

The role of the ECJ in the NI protocol is to judge whether or not a party is acting in full compliance to it.
The EU may for example make the case that the correct notice period had not been given for any unilateral action. Or that the proposed changes were not proprotional or that the conditions for taking this action have not been otherwise met.

[patman post]

NI has in effect remained in the EU's single market for goods (England, Scotland and Wales have left the EU's single market for goods).
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/eu-exit-and-northern-ireland-protocol

This is the likely explanation for the Province's matching the London area in being the UK's best economically performing regions...
https://www.nisra.gov.uk/statistics/nisra-economic-and-labour-market-statistics-elms/economic-overview

[Thomas]

I would say that too.
But since it isn't, I don't.

Are you still there baffy? You are that weak you cant even send a planeload of illegals to rwanda without being told no by foreign courts never mind taking part of your own multi national state out of the EU and defying other foreign courts.

Its always good coming on here on a saturday for a bit of a laugh baffy boy.

[Thomas]

Basically still in the EU! Brexit betrayal laid bare as Northern Ireland subject to EU law

THE PEOPLE of Northern Ireland have been let down by the Government, officials say, as a staggering amount of EU law still applies to the region despite Brexit and little is being done to clarify the situation.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1588611/brexit-betrayal-northern-ireland-protocol-eu-laws-ecj-latest-spt