The death of common sense?

[srb7677]

Tbf Toots, it's the hypocrisy of it all that pisses me off. Whilst I highlight the right of JK Rowling (or trans rights activists for that matter) to have the right to free speech, all these people are just two sides of the same coin.

The "women's rights" people you mention in Bristol were described by the "trans" lot as "terfs" (Trans exclusionary radical feminists), which I think Rowling herself has been described as. In the modern world of "inclusion" and tolerance, wanting to exclude anyone is asking for trouble isn't it. Radical feminists have been peddling hate disguised as victimhood for six decades, they've helped destroy the institution of marriage and breakdown the family as a central part of society, and now they are getting a little taste of their own medicine and they don't like it. So, nuts to the feminists. They made their bed, now they'd better lie in it.

Me, I'd exclude the fecking lot of them if I had my way, but the likes of Cromwell and co won't let me (or maybe it was the bit about giving them all a fecking good hiding first he objected to ) But in the end, at least I'm honest enough to say I detest these ****s, trans rights, radical feminist, the whole lot of them. The difference between us is I accept their right to hate me and to hate each other if they want to. The problem is, these people cannot grasp that free speech and being offensive cuts all ways. They cannot have it without others having it too, and that sadly seems to be the exact opposite of what many of them seem to believe.

Never fear. Your freedom to live in the 1970s will never be taken away from you here. You can hate as many people as you like if the freedom to hate is important to you.

As to the trans versus terfs argument, I myself find such acronyms tiresome and hard to keep up with and only know what the latter means because you have supplied the meaning.

Both sides have a point but neither is tolerant of the other. I myself am really not inclined to take sides. I think focussing on shit like this is detracting from the far bigger problem, affecting far more people, of economic inequality and gross exploitation.

[Thomas]

Tabloids serve as echo chambers to those choosing to buy into it. The internet tailors echo chambers to each individual. In this latter sense it is a conspiracy theorist's paradise. The info you get fed is only ever as sensible as your opinions are to start with.

i think there is a sense of luddism regading the internet. Many elderly are suspicous of somethng new , and take comfort in the bbc or tabloids. We found though in 2014 , when you handed an older person an ipad and let them read other viewpoints on the internet regarding scottish indy , they then became hooked and started a wave of silver surfers.

Totally agree wit hyou last line. Thats the bottom line , we are often all on the lookout for opinions that chime with our own , no matter what platform you get it from. No where is free from lies and propaganda.

[Thomas]

Whilst many internet sources might well be dubious, the Daily Mail itself is no better and never has been.

fine example of the so called "honourable media" who always tell the truth compared to the interwebby sites who always lie. Propaganda is as  you well know old as the hills. Its simply moving away from paper online , with humanity having more information at their fingertips than ever before in human history.

There are good and bad , intelligent and idiotic in every society of humanity across history. Its not the internets fault the idiots continue to believe the idiotic.

The same can be said for any platform. What i take issue with is when someone says their chosen platfrom is uniquely propaganda free compared to others.

[Thomas]

I guess if so many spurn what has been accepted as the 'honourable' media - whoever they are - then misinformation will become the norm. .

dont agree with that at all. The so called honourable media as you put it have never been truthfull , and less than honourable. Its just they are no longer the only game in town as they once were , and dont have a monopoly on what news we consume and which point of view we are told to hold.

Plenty people like to bandy about that word ."misinformation" . There has always been misinformation. There are simply more platforms for information to choose from , and its up to the user to sift between the lies and the truth.

All platforms have elements of misinfornation , others call it propaganda. Normally what bothers me is when outifts when the holier than thou bbc claim to be teling the truth and utterly impartial is when i laugh.

[Thomas]

Hi Thomas.

Long time no see. Hope yr ok. Yeah, i get that, i think on here most would agree, but i was more trying to get a conversation going about why, in wider society at least, many would not agree.

In fact, even on here, there is at least one of the examples.above where you and i were on one side and several members of this forum were on another.

alright deppity. Hope you are doing well in this crazy world we are in at the minute.

[srb7677]

To be honest the problem with the internet is a bit similar to the problem with the tabloids. They function as echo chambers. But where the internet and tabloids differ is that with the latter people are choosing to spend their own money on the echo chamber of their choice. The tabloid itself does not react proactively to which bits the reader chooses to read.

The internet is far more reactive. It notices what you like and feeds you more of the same. Twitter is probably worst of all. You end up being followed by loads of people who agree with you and whose opinions you constantly see, whilst those who disagree with you often block you for disagreeing with them too much. I have been blocked on twitter by characters as diverse as Johnny Mercer my Tory MP, and George Galloway.

Tabloids serve as echo chambers to those choosing to buy into it. The internet tailors echo chambers to each individual. In this latter sense it is a conspiracy theorist's paradise. The info you get fed is only ever as sensible as your opinions are to start with.

[srb7677]

I've noticed one or two of the contributors on here using sources that are at best dubious while in the next breath slating the Daily Mail.

Whilst many internet sources might well be dubious, the Daily Mail itself is no better and never has been.

[Sampanviking]

Ah DD Common Sense is an outmoded concept and simply an obstacle to your finding happiness and contentment in this brave new world of new think.
The truth is simply what you are told it is, nothing more and nothing less. Today's truth may be different to yesterdays, but dwelling on such matters does more harm than good.
Embrace the New Think and accept the truth, whatever it is today and you will be freed from the burden of having to try and think for yourself.

[DeppityDawg]

I agree. Another example is in Bristol last week when a group of Women's Rights were harassed (let's call it) by a Trans Rights group. The trans supporters were dressed in black and masked and huge compared to the women they confronted. Of course that was the photo published so once more veracity comes into question. The police were amongst the melee but seemed fairly inactive.

I suppose we have to grant that every age has it's break away from past norms. The parental generation looks on in horror often and yet somehow this feels different. I come from the flower power age. I didn't subscribe and thought those who did mad but there wasn't the same pressure to fit in as there seems to be now. I do wonder if in some ways the power now to conform no matter how wild the ideas and fashions is driven largely by fear of this ridiculous 'cancel culture'. All it really is is thuggery and extreme bullying. Yet we are made to believe it's the majority when in fact it is but a small minority who expect to take the lead in society. Until the next generation loses their fear of this threat of not fitting in, and until they recognise that all actions will have consequences they are a bit of a lost cause. I fully expect a strong backlash sooner rather than later and it will come from those rational thinkers among the next generation. However it will be painful for the rest of us until they start to see the light.

Tbf Toots, it's the hypocrisy of it all that pisses me off. Whilst I highlight the right of JK Rowling (or trans rights activists for that matter) to have the right to free speech, all these people are just two sides of the same coin.

The "women's rights" people you mention in Bristol were described by the "trans" lot as "terfs" (Trans exclusionary radical feminists), which I think Rowling herself has been described as. In the modern world of "inclusion" and tolerance, wanting to exclude anyone is asking for trouble isn't it. Radical feminists have been peddling hate disguised as victimhood for six decades, they've helped destroy the institution of marriage and breakdown the family as a central part of society, and now they are getting a little taste of their own medicine and they don't like it. So, nuts to the feminists. They made their bed, now they'd better lie in it.

Me, I'd exclude the fecking lot of them if I had my way, but the likes of Cromwell and co won't let me (or maybe it was the bit about giving them all a fecking good hiding first he objected to ) But in the end, at least I'm honest enough to say I detest these ****s, trans rights, radical feminist, the whole lot of them. The difference between us is I accept their right to hate me and to hate each other if they want to. The problem is, these people cannot grasp that free speech and being offensive cuts all ways. They cannot have it without others having it too, and that sadly seems to be the exact opposite of what many of them seem to believe.

[Nick]

Hi Toots. I certainly agree that the internet/social media shapes peoples perceptions perhaps more than reality does these days. Its a real problem, because the "news" on it is often little more than clickbait. I've noticed one or two of the contributors on here using sources that are at best dubious while in the next breath slating the Daily Mail. Add that to the fact (young?) people don't seem to be socialising as much, not face to face anyway, and communicating more by text or social media platforms, and you've got a recipe for disaster

One thing that had me shaking my head in disbelief recently was the restaurant where the owner had supported JK Rowling, being smashed up and having loads of false "anti-trans" Trip advisor reviews being left. The owner described it as a "pile on" by "transgender rights activists". So, let me get this straight. We now live in a world where a group claiming that their rights are violated, and of being victims of hate, proceed to violate the rights of others that disagree with them, and in doing so freely demonstrate their own hatred and contempt for others. Clearly, "trans rights activists" don't do irony.

Its a fecked up world for sure.

It's no different than they used to do in the old days when they hid images of Coke in the frames of movies. Subliminal advertising, the tech has just moved on a bit these days.

[johnofgwent]

One thing that had me shaking my head in disbelief recently was the restaurant where the owner had supported JK Rowling, being smashed up and having loads of false "anti-trans" Trip advisor reviews being left. The owner described it as a "pile on" by "transgender rights activists". So, let me get this straight. We now live in a world where a group claiming that their rights are violated, and of being victims of hate, proceed to violate the rights of others that disagree with them, and in doing so freely demonstrate their own hatred and contempt for others. Clearly, "trans rights activists" don't do irony.

Its a fecked up world for sure.

Sadly Google is not a fan of keeping old stories that piss on the left.


A good few years ago I recall reading in the telegraph IIRC one of the leading advocates of nailbombing and firebombing my erstwhile colleagues for their medical research required a transplant 

The irony ...

[johnofgwent]

I heard a comment today on radio where they were discussing the murder of a schoolboy - the subject of a Panorama programme last night. I didn't see it. They were talking about the stuff that youngsters were watching on social media and how the algorithms work to then promote this stuff to a wider audience. It was said that the majority of people now get their 'news' from social media and how the 'truth' is so often misleading.

I guess if so many spurn what has been accepted as the 'honourable' media - whoever they are - then misinformation will become the norm. Add to that that most school kids are no longer taught discriminatory thought but just to pass exams with whatever is the acceptable PC applicable. Then perhaps we are simply reaping what we sow.

I did not see the programme either but the story was covered somewhere on the BBC news site, but I was confused because it seemed to say the victim was merrily researching such gore laden stuff yet the BBC wished to portray him as an innocent killed by those corrupted by viewing such stuff.

As in here we go again.

[T00ts]

Hi Toots. I certainly agree that the internet/social media shapes peoples perceptions perhaps more than reality does these days. Its a real problem, because the "news" on it is often little more than clickbait. I've noticed one or two of the contributors on here using sources that are at best dubious while in the next breath slating the Daily Mail. Add that to the fact (young?) people don't seem to be socialising as much, not face to face anyway, and communicating more by text or social media platforms, and you've got a recipe for disaster

One thing that had me shaking my head in disbelief recently was the restaurant where the owner had supported JK Rowling, being smashed up and having loads of false "anti-trans" Trip advisor reviews being left. The owner described it as a "pile on" by "transgender rights activists". So, let me get this straight. We now live in a world where a group claiming that their rights are violated, and of being victims of hate, proceed to violate the rights of others that disagree with them, and in doing so freely demonstrate their own hatred and contempt for others. Clearly, "trans rights activists" don't do irony.

Its a fecked up world for sure.

I agree. Another example is in Bristol last week when a group of Women's Rights were harassed (let's call it) by a Trans Rights group. The trans supporters were dressed in black and masked and huge compared to the women they confronted. Of course that was the photo published so once more veracity comes into question. The police were amongst the melee but seemed fairly inactive.

I suppose we have to grant that every age has it's break away from past norms. The parental generation looks on in horror often and yet somehow this feels different. I come from the flower power age. I didn't subscribe and thought those who did mad but there wasn't the same pressure to fit in as there seems to be now. I do wonder if in some ways the power now to conform no matter how wild the ideas and fashions is driven largely by fear of this ridiculous 'cancel culture'. All it really is is thuggery and extreme bullying. Yet we are made to believe it's the majority when in fact it is but a small minority who expect to take the lead in society. Until the next generation loses their fear of this threat of not fitting in, and until they recognise that all actions will have consequences they are a bit of a lost cause. I fully expect a strong backlash sooner rather than later and it will come from those rational thinkers among the next generation. However it will be painful for the rest of us until they start to see the light.

[DeppityDawg]

I heard a comment today on radio where they were discussing the murder of a schoolboy - the subject of a Panorama programme last night. I didn't see it. They were talking about the stuff that youngsters were watching on social media and how the algorithms work to then promote this stuff to a wider audience. It was said that the majority of people now get their 'news' from social media and how the 'truth' is so often misleading.

I guess if so many spurn what has been accepted as the 'honourable' media - whoever they are - then misinformation will become the norm. Add to that that most school kids are no longer taught discriminatory thought but just to pass exams with whatever is the acceptable PC applicable. Then perhaps we are simply reaping what we sow.

Hi Toots. I certainly agree that the internet/social media shapes peoples perceptions perhaps more than reality does these days. Its a real problem, because the "news" on it is often little more than clickbait. I've noticed one or two of the contributors on here using sources that are at best dubious while in the next breath slating the Daily Mail. Add that to the fact (young?) people don't seem to be socialising as much, not face to face anyway, and communicating more by text or social media platforms, and you've got a recipe for disaster

One thing that had me shaking my head in disbelief recently was the restaurant where the owner had supported JK Rowling, being smashed up and having loads of false "anti-trans" Trip advisor reviews being left. The owner described it as a "pile on" by "transgender rights activists". So, let me get this straight. We now live in a world where a group claiming that their rights are violated, and of being victims of hate, proceed to violate the rights of others that disagree with them, and in doing so freely demonstrate their own hatred and contempt for others. Clearly, "trans rights activists" don't do irony.

Its a fecked up world for sure.

[T00ts]

I heard a comment today on radio where they were discussing the murder of a schoolboy - the subject of a Panorama programme last night. I didn't see it. They were talking about the stuff that youngsters were watching on social media and how the algorithms work to then promote this stuff to a wider audience. It was said that the majority of people now get their 'news' from social media and how the 'truth' is so often misleading.

I guess if so many spurn what has been accepted as the 'honourable' media - whoever they are - then misinformation will become the norm. Add to that that most school kids are no longer taught discriminatory thought but just to pass exams with whatever is the acceptable PC applicable. Then perhaps we are simply reaping what we sow.