Privatisation

[T00ts]

I thought I had posted this earlier but can't find it.

I have listed the 10 people I know who are 80 and over. It's ok talking about the over 65s but the difference in those 15 years is huge for many. All of those I have thought of who I know pretty well even if they used to use tech have either completely or largely ceased. The reasons are changes in systems that make them lose confidence. Loss of some faculties and ill health. Reliance on children/grandchildren who are quicker and more assured with it.

For these the landline tends to be the one thing they feel more comfortable with, and yet so many companies no longer available to speak to in person. The fact of being driven to use helpers reduces confidence even more and attempts to learn and then use tech makes them feel more inadequate and embarrassed because it often takes longer. Even you youngsters who have grown up with it, if tech continues to progress at the current rate you will find that you too will get left behind.   There will never be a time when everyone can be counted as being on the same page.

[B0ycey]

What ever 😳. Ted Short removed milk from over 11's, the Tories removed it from over 7's some years later, something Maggie argued against but was pushed into by the treasury.

As for food banks, the first appeared in 2000, under a Labour government,
https://www.trusselltrust.org/get-involved/start-a-food-bank/

People on here are brainwashed into thinking socialism is bad 😂. Bad, it doesn't work for goodness sake. Tell me please, how do you separate the can't from the won't? If you're prepared to find the lead swingers then fine, or are you another PS that refuses to accept that there are cheats?

https://youtu.be/JqreWTZsF2M

To be fair Nick, I didn't even hear the term Food bank until Cameron and Clegg created Austerity and I would be surprised if foodbanks are even a new thing in 2000. Didn't Victorians hand out food to the poor? As for this milk bollocks, I have heard that before and when I researched it then it was down to school practices and costs not a snatch like Thatcher.

As for socialism, I promote the Scandinavian model. Sure they have high taxes but my god they have a great social program. None of this working until your 90 shit in Norway. I remember reading Poland having as hissy because Norway won't share their oil/gas at a cut price. There response. Its our pension fund.

[Thomas]

What ever 😳. Ted Short removed milk from over 11's, the Tories removed it from over 7's some years later, something Maggie argued against but was pushed into by the treasury.

As for food banks, the first appeared in 2000, under a Labour government,
https://www.trusselltrust.org/get-involved/start-a-food-bank/

People on here are brainwashed into thinking socialism is bad 😂. Bad, it doesn't work for goodness sake. Tell me please, how do you separate the can't from the won't? If you're prepared to find the lead swingers then fine, or are you another PS that refuses to accept that there are cheats?

https://youtu.be/JqreWTZsF2M

I dont think you are wrong talking about the labour parties record on foobanks , but to be fair to boycey , is there actually a true socialist left in the modern labour party?

Bad, it doesn't work for goodness sake.

arent the scandinavian countires regarded as the most socialist states in europe and also the richest?

[Nick]

Eh... just no. Perhaps you are too young to remember 'Thatcher Thatcher the Milk Snatcher' or forgot that it was Austerity not VAT cuts that sent people to the Food banks. And the privatisation act was in 1983 when Thatcher was in power because she had a thing for Heyek. Stop blaming Labour for Tory policies.

The problem with some of the users on here is that because you have been brainwashed in thinking Socialism is bad, even the Socialist policies that we all agree on must still be Tory ideas because Capitalism must win. Have you not realised yet that Capitalism is failing due to contradiction and the solution is more Socialism to fix it? Read up on Dialectical Materialism.

What ever 😳. Ted Short removed milk from over 11's, the Tories removed it from over 7's some years later, something Maggie argued against but was pushed into by the treasury. 

As for food banks, the first appeared in 2000, under a Labour government, 
https://www.trusselltrust.org/get-involved/start-a-food-bank/

People on here are brainwashed into thinking socialism is bad 😂. Bad, it doesn't work for goodness sake. Tell me please, how do you separate the can't from the won't? If you're prepared to find the lead swingers then fine, or are you another PS that refuses to accept that there are cheats?

https://youtu.be/JqreWTZsF2M

[Thomas]

Three out of "Most Online Today: 24". At a rough calculation, that's one eighth of a group that can access the internet.

ONS reckons 99% of people aged between 16 and 44 used the internet compared to 54% aged 75 and over.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/businessindustryandtrade/itandinternetindustry/bulletins/internetusers/2020

I guess internet use will increase as the generations move up and off to their own Clouds, and internet-using technology expands to a point where its use no longer registers with users...

but you keep telling us this forum has extremely low membership , so how can  one eighth of what you describe as a poorly attended forum be representative of the uks non tech savvy population ?

According to toots , these people can't even use a keyboard , so the smart phone users is only a tiny part of the debate.

Still it proves the old adage of lies and damn statistics.

[patman post]

Three of yese? Its a long slog steve , but we are starting to quantify these endless hordes of tech free people inhabiting the uk .

Three out of "Most Online Today: 24". At a rough calculation, that's one eighth of a group that can access the internet.

ONS reckons 99% of people aged between 16 and 44 used the internet compared to 54% aged 75 and over.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/businessindustryandtrade/itandinternetindustry/bulletins/internetusers/2020

I guess internet use will increase as the generations move up and off to their own Clouds, and internet-using technology expands to a point where its use no longer registers with users...

[Thomas]

I don't either. I have a phone that can only access the internet when in range of my modem. I never use it for that. I use it purely to make or recieve phone calls and to read texts. I use a laptop for internet access. Only reason I have a mobile at all really is in case my car breaks down, though now my employer also uses it to text security codes to me so I guess I need it for that too now.

Three of yese? Its a long slog steve , but we are starting to quantify these endless hordes of tech free people inhabiting the uk .

[srb7677]

I don't.

I just have a £10 drug dealer phone from Argos which I have for emergencies.

I have nothing against smart phones, but provided the family can reach me when necessary, I don't need all the bells and whistles.

I don't either. I have a phone that can only access the internet when in range of my modem. I never use it for that. I use it purely to make or recieve phone calls and to read texts. I use a laptop for internet access. Only reason I have a mobile at all really is in case my car breaks down, though now my employer also uses it to text security codes to me so I guess I need it for that too now.

[Thomas]

I don't.

I just have a £10 drug dealer phone from Argos which I have for emergencies.

I have nothing against smart phones, but provided the family can reach me when necessary, I don't need all the bells and whistles.

So thats two out of 67 million? I rest my case. At least you are tech savvy enough borkie to pop online and talk cac about politics along with the rest of us.

A far cry from this implication of hordes of the elderly who cant even turn a pc on at the wall isnt it?

I have nothing against smart phones, but provided the family can reach me when necessary, I don't need all the bells and whistles.

the point of the smart phone borkie is to use it for everything else but phonecalls. The bells and whistles are what they want it for.

[Borchester]

i dont know a single person in this day and age who doesnt own or use a smart phone.

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I don't.

I just have a £10 drug dealer phone from Argos which I have for emergencies.

I have nothing against smart phones, but provided the family can reach me when necessary, I don't need all the bells and whistles.

[Thomas]

No you are wrong. It's surprising I guess to those who have grown up with it but remember that some of these elderly were around before even having a phone was possible. I myself remember having our first house phone and having a party line where you picked up the receiver and had to wait to check that the other sharer wasn't speaking already then replace it and try later.
The point is that we simply can't move on technically and at the same time withdraw what some still need in order to function. Smart phones are possibly the biggest hurdle at present. They might manage one to make calls but forget all the other uses that you probably take for granted.

If im wrong im wrong , but perhaps you could quantify this elderly tech free group of people as a percentage of the uk popualtion? I would argue its extremely small.

I have 70 year old customers who can pay our company on smart phones at the click of a button , or use platforms like go cardless. I have a large family and friends group spread from ayrshire to kirriemuir , from lancashire to wick , northern ireland , france and florida of many differing age groups and i dont know a single person in this day and age who doesnt own or use a smart phone.

My daughter doesnt use her smart phone for calls , everything else but.

[T00ts]

im not sure about where you live, but i would argue there are very few elderly in this day and age who havent kept up with "tech" as you put it. Its an essential need in this modern world in every facet of life.

No you are wrong. It's surprising I guess to those who have grown up with it but remember that some of these elderly were around before even having a phone was possible. I myself remember having our first house phone and having a party line where you picked up the receiver and had to wait to check that the other sharer wasn't speaking already then replace it and try later. 
The point is that we simply can't move on technically and at the same time withdraw what some still need in order to function. Smart phones are possibly the biggest hurdle at present. They might manage one to make calls but forget all the other uses that you probably take for granted.

[Thomas]

My mum is 77 and attempted to go online but couldn't get her head around it so cancelled.

How representative she is of her age group in this respect I know not but I doubt she is alone.

fully agree , but what im saying is this "chunk " of society who are not capable of dealing with modern tech is extremely small and eventually will be non existant.

Im hardly young , but my generation was the first school generation to use computers  , and i have had to deal with modern tech in various industry all my adult life. There cant be that many now in the under 80 age group who arent at the very least reasonably tech savvy in my opinion.

[srb7677]

im not sure about where you live, but i would argue there are very few elderly in this day and age who havent kept up with "tech" as you put it. Its an essential need in this modern world in every facet of life.

My mum is 77 and attempted to go online but couldn't get her head around it so cancelled. 

How representative she is of her age group in this respect I know not but I doubt she is alone.

[Thomas]

Regarding energy have we been driven up a cul de sac by gretas admirers? Germany is going back to coal fired and shouldn't long term plans have been made way back to ensure the continuity and security of our energy supplies,isn't that one  of the primary objectives of any govt regardless of colour.

I thought germany is going back to coal fired stations because of americas insistence of sanctioning russias oil and gas? Scotland is self sufficient in renewable energy for all our needs ,so much so we export loads of energy down south to england , yet we are similarly if not even more so being hammered in terms of our fuel bills we are told by tories in london because of the war in ukraine.

I think we have had both red tory and blue tory governments for the past 40 years in london who have dithered and made wrong decisions on energy. ukraine , greta , and all the rest are mere excuses by the london elite for their disasterous  political decisions on energy .