7 8 shut the gate!

[Barry]

And there was me thinking this thread was about the Tory leadership contest.

Next result at 4pm.  Good bye Penny? 

[srb7677]

All democratic parties have factions . All democratic parties have the right to determine qualification for membership . I don't doubt some of the policy of 2017 would be embraced, but this isn't 2017  . As a nation our finances are significantly worse than they were then.
We are in the grasp of a government  that not only polishes that turd but is kept in place by that turd. In fact some would say they are the turd. Worse still is the fact that this close relationship is not leading to a better future for this country, only the wealthy element within it .
We are in the grasp of multi national financial interests, banks, and right wing media moguls, that are the turd
and no government doesn't apply some polish to that turd, not even China, or Russia. To expect Starmer to withdraw from doing as all governments do and not apply polish to the turd is unrealistic.
Our problems are of a magnitude that , a magician, let alone messiah, would be pushed to solve . But we at the very least need to consider a fire break to try to at least divert us from the fire setting that this government keep being involved in.
You say my Labour Party. I haven't voted Labour for many years let alone consider the party mine, mainly because of the way our voting system works, but my party is an exaggeration by some way.

I  remain unconvinced by most of that. Yes all parties have factions, but the dxominant one fighting a war of extermination against all others is not the broad church of unity we need. And when factionalism and being in the wrong faction becomes the reason for expulsion that is not broad church unity.

Starmer and his party have given me countless reasons not to support him and indeed to campaign against him, but very few reasons to back him. Voting Labour right now only encourages him and them in what they are doing. 

[Sheepy]

No sheep the question was .Who do you suggest.?

I don't as I don't believe any of them have the real guts to stand up to power in the sense it is needed, that can only come from a true consensus of the general public which would need the truth showing them constantly until they see for themselves. Then vote accordingly. 

[Good old]

So, like I said, after years of trying to destroy populism you now actually need our help. The last time we did that you turned on us the minute you thought you had regained control and could think it was business as usual.

No sheep the question was .Who do you suggest.?

[Good old]

I suggest the Labour party starts putting unity above factionalism, stops expelling socialists on every pretext it can find, invites those it has expelled back in, restores the whip to Jeremy Corbyn, replaces Starmer with a genuine unity candaidate, stops listening to the toxic Blair and Mandellson, and reembraces most of the popular policies of 2017. And speaks up for the oppressed everywhere, even when that includes the Palestinians.

Because right now Starmer and his party are the turd polishing party, making Britain safe for the economic status quo when the masses so desperately need change.

You and your party need to understand that if I and millions like me don't support Labour, that is not our fault. It is Labour's

All democratic parties have factions . All democratic parties have the right to determine qualification for membership . I don't doubt some of the policy of 2017 would be embraced, but this isn't 2017  . As a nation our finances are significantly worse than they were then.
We are in the grasp of a government  that not only polishes that turd but is kept in place by that turd. In fact some would say they are the turd. Worse still is the fact that this close relationship is not leading to a better future for this country, only the wealthy element within it .
We are in the grasp of multi national financial interests, banks, and right wing media moguls, that are the turd 
and no government doesn't apply some polish to that turd, not even China, or Russia. To expect Starmer to withdraw from doing as all governments do and not apply polish to the turd is unrealistic.
Our problems are of a magnitude that , a magician, let alone messiah, would be pushed to solve . But we at the very least need to consider a fire break to try to at least divert us from the fire setting that this government keep being involved in.
You say my Labour Party. I haven't voted Labour for many years let alone consider the party mine, mainly because of the way our voting system works, but my party is an exaggeration by some way.

[Sheepy]

I suggest the Labour party starts putting unity above factionalism, stops expelling socialists on every pretext it can find, invites those it has expelled back in, restores the whip to Jeremy Corbyn, replaces Starmer with a genuine unity candaidate, stops listening to the toxic Blair and Mandellson, and reembraces most of the popular policies of 2017. And speaks up for the oppressed everywhere, even when that includes the Palestinians.

Because right now Starmer and his party are the turd polishing party, making Britain safe for the economic status quo when the masses so desperately need change.

You and your party need to understand that if I and millions like me don't support Labour, that is not our fault. It is Labour's

While you are lecturing us on the rights of the oppressed, when do we decide once the oppressed are no longer oppressed but become the oppressors instead? Or do we wait until whole eco systems are destroyed and way of lives ruined while it is about guilt for the previously oppressed? Or do we step in and say wait, these people are not dealing with a full deck?

[Sheepy]

So do I. So who do you suggest Sheep?

So, like I said, after years of trying to destroy populism you now actually need our help. The last time we did that you turned on us the minute you thought you had regained control and could think it was business as usual.

[srb7677]

Then God help us, because we are close to going to a place of no return. What do you suggest.?

I suggest the Labour party starts putting unity above factionalism, stops expelling socialists on every pretext it can find, invites those it has expelled back in, restores the whip to Jeremy Corbyn, replaces Starmer with a genuine unity candaidate, stops listening to the toxic Blair and Mandellson, and reembraces most of the popular policies of 2017. And speaks up for the oppressed everywhere, even when that includes the Palestinians.

Because right now Starmer and his party are the turd polishing party, making Britain safe for the economic status quo when the masses so desperately need change.

You and your party need to understand that if I and millions like me don't support Labour, that is not our fault. It is Labour's

[Good old]

Putting up Starmer as the next Messiah, I think that is wearing thin.

So do I. So who do you suggest Sheep?

[Sheepy]

Then God help us, because we are close to going to a place of no return. What do you suggest.?

Putting up Starmer as the next Messiah, I think that is wearing thin.

[Good old]

If the light at the end of the tunnel takes the form of Keir Starmer, god help us.

Then God help us, because we are close to going to a place of no return. What do you suggest.?

[johnofgwent]

If the light at the end of the tunnel takes the form of Keir Starmer, god help us.

It won't. Not even the Labaah Sheep are THAT stupid.

[srb7677]

Now Kemi is thankfully out .We need Sunak to win and keep the festering sore that is the hatred between the Johnson  and Sunak camp on boil till Keir takes control at the next election. There is light at the end of the tunnell for our beleaguered country.

If the light at the end of the tunnel takes the form of Keir Starmer, god help us.

[Sean]

Now Kemi is thankfully out .We need Sunak to win and keep the festering sore that is the hatred between the Johnson  and Sunak camp on boil till Keir takes control at the next election. There is light at the end of the tunnell for our beleaguered country.

[johnofgwent]

Kemi Badenoch - 59 OUT
Penny Mordaunt - 92
Rishi Sunak - 118
Liz Truss - 86

You'll forgive me for calling this as obvious as night follows day. I liked what she had to say, but do we REALLY want a Nigerian IT developer running the country.

Well I do, I've got contacts there from my days when we used the place as a site for our satellite ground stations but I doubt many of the Tory party would vote for her, and it's far more important to ensure the tax fiddling billionaire criminal doesn't get the job.

Looks like Truss is going to get the job of stopping him given her progress.