Cyclists must always be considered to have no fault

Started by cromwell, July 14, 2022, 06:51:14 PM

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What if the cyclist hits a pedestrian?  Presumably then it would be the pedestrian who should be considered to have no fault!

There was a fashion for introducing 'shared space' in town centres, usually with a low speed limit like 10 mph, a sort of 'pedestrianisation-lite' that doesn't always work well because motorists and cyclists both behave like they still have priority over pedestrians. In shared spaces there should be a specific rule that motorists or cyclists are automatically at fault if they collide with a pedestrian.
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johnofgwent

Quote from: Barry on July 14, 2022, 07:58:08 PM
It's a rare use of the 1861 act but totally justified and appropriate. He deserved a year. I wonder if they considered a manslaughter charge.
I'm not sure how taxing and plating cycles would help. Cars are taxed and plated and they are still driven by reckless and careless drivers.
I don't think cyclists are subject to speed limits.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1967/76/crossheading/speed-limits/enacted
Motor vehicles
https://www.slatergordon.co.uk/newsroom/can-cyclists-break-the-speed-limit/

"wanton and furious cycling" is the only charge they can apply.

Speed limits do not apply to cyclists.


My Giant Lafree Twist pedelec pedal electric assisted Raleigh twenty shoppabike lookalike which I understand was the rolls Royce of its time when I acquired it 20 years ago has the motor assist peter out at 19mph although it's five speed gears can be pedalled to 28 and the fastest I ever recorded was 45 on the downhill stretch of the road through Newgale, Pembrokeshire

The eighteen speed cheap as chips mountain bike I bought dirt cheap in Halfords did get up to 48 on the downhill stretches of roads in town but the sanity of doing that on a bike with minimal braking ability (the giant had a disk brake arrangement to rival a motorbike, the Halfords crap two tiny bits of rubber) I question severely.

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johnofgwent

Quote from: Barry on July 14, 2022, 07:58:08 PM
It's a rare use of the 1861 act but totally justified and appropriate. He deserved a year. I wonder if they considered a manslaughter charge.
I'm not sure how taxing and plating cycles would help. Cars are taxed and plated and they are still driven by reckless and careless drivers.
I don't think cyclists are subject to speed limits.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1967/76/crossheading/speed-limits/enacted
Motor vehicles

A bicycle is a carriage under the Highways Act.

If you look hard enough you will start to find that long before there were speed limits, there were laws regarding careless, reckless and dangerous riding and carriage driving.

Go fast enough and you'll get nicked for that

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cromwell

Quote from: Barry on July 14, 2022, 07:58:08 PM
It's a rare use of the 1861 act but totally justified and appropriate. He deserved a year. I wonder if they considered a manslaughter charge.
I'm not sure how taxing and plating cycles would help. Cars are taxed and plated and they are still driven by reckless and careless drivers.
I don't think cyclists are subject to speed limits.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1967/76/crossheading/speed-limits/enacted
Motor vehicles
Yeah there's some right nutters on the road driving cars,the penalties have been upped though if caught and they are more traceable.

However a lot of "cyclists" are entitled *****, I still ride a bike but not on the pavement or through red lights and not across pedestrian crossings when in use.

Should've been done for manslaughter imo.
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Barry

It's a rare use of the 1861 act but totally justified and appropriate. He deserved a year. I wonder if they considered a manslaughter charge.
I'm not sure how taxing and plating cycles would help. Cars are taxed and plated and they are still driven by reckless and careless drivers.
I don't think cyclists are subject to speed limits.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1967/76/crossheading/speed-limits/enacted
Motor vehicles
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johnofgwent

This is the mission statement of Sustrans the cycling "charity"

I found this out about a decade ago.
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T00ts

Quote from: cromwell on July 14, 2022, 06:51:14 PM
Well that's what a leading cycling spokesman proclaimed some time ago,and he's almost right......if this had been a car driver?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11014323/Furious-cyclist-Stewart-McGinn-jailed-killing-lay-church-minister.html
You are right, so often though they are head down looking just at the floor as they attempt the world speed record.It's time they were road taxed and number plated. Today they were discussing the 20 mph being introduced in so many places and commenting on cyclists passing cars.

cromwell

Well that's what a leading cycling spokesman proclaimed some time ago,and he's almost right......if this had been a car driver?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11014323/Furious-cyclist-Stewart-McGinn-jailed-killing-lay-church-minister.html
Energy....secure and affordable,not that hard is it?