Project Homer

[Sheepy]

Cover up what? The system can never be perfect , there are times when the incidence of possibly corrupting it further is becoming more common , nothing much is written , it's full of loop holes. That's where the reform is needed ,it has evolved by reform , since before Johns example. And it will always need reform going forward.
As you know , I believe it's still a good way to allow good men and  women to compete with bad men and women and all between to  run this country . It's not perfect it will always need reform to protect its self.

Better to close it down before it can do anymore damage you wouldn't let your dog bite the hand that feeds it constantly.

[Good old]

Simple you all got caught now have to cover up constantly. While buying time by saying yes, yes, we need to do something.

Cover up what? The system can never be perfect , there are times when the incidence of possibly corrupting it further is becoming more common , nothing much is written , it's full of loop holes. That's where the reform is needed ,it has evolved by reform , since before Johns example. And it will always need reform going forward.
As you know , I believe it's still a good way to allow good men and  women to compete with bad men and women and all between to  run this country . It's not perfect it will always need reform to protect its self.

[Sheepy]

This medium doesn't always reflect how close one's thinking actually is. I do agree what you say here. I might have over emphasised the Crosby factor. We do need something, some kind of reform. As we all know the expected behaviour is so often not written as so ,let alone legislated for . Not at all sure what the situation would have been to let this happen,or not as it might be.

Simple you all got caught now have to cover up constantly. While buying time by saying yes, yes, we need to do something. 

[Good old]

Yeah vast experience in making a system bent,as said in op speculative or not this is the way not just him but how the thinking is.

Such thinking turns in to reality at times,a reality that needs reform.

This medium doesn't always reflect how close one's thinking actually is. I do agree what you say here. I might have over emphasised the Crosby factor. We do need something, some kind of reform. As we all know the expected behaviour is so often not written as so ,let alone legislated for . Not at all sure what the situation would have been to let this happen,or not as it might be.

[cromwell]

Which only makes you wonder why someone of Crosbys vast experience even floated it.

Yeah vast experience in making a system bent,as said in op speculative or not this is the way not just him but how the thinking is.

Such thinking turns in to reality at times,a reality that needs reform.

[Good old]

But a quite pointless one for a government of Boris's majority armed with the Parliament Act(s)

Which only makes you wonder why someone of Crosbys vast experience even floated it.

[Good old]

Yet no complaint at Blair's extermination of hereditary peerages that swung the balance his way ??

I have never made any comment on hereditary peerages. I will say it was easily remedied .

[Good old]

No you don't which is what he is telling you, but I guess you never will.

I know what he meant. I would not completely agree with the whole statement. The two are different sheep.
Now if you said , you thought I would never agree , you would not be spot on but nearer.

[johnofgwent]

Precisely, a corruption.

But a quite pointless one for a government of Boris's majority armed with the Parliament Act(s)

[johnofgwent]

As Crosby has been supplying strategy to the Tories for most of their twelve years in power , in fact brought in specifically for his ideas much of them used or in use. It has to be certain this was another of his ideas that got far more than instant dismissal.
Getting rid of the lords is one thing, turning them into loaded dice is quiet another. The fact that this lot would have this sort of idea floating about, being suggested by if not their main strategists , certainly  one of, highlights just how dangerous to our whole parliamentary system this lot are.

Yet no complaint at Blair's extermination of hereditary peerages that swung the balance his way ??

[Good old]

In my GCE "O" level syllabus covering British Economic Social and Political History 1760-1832 I recall at l ast six occasions on which Whigs and Tories each used the threat of taking to the sovereign a wish list of peers to stuff the upper chamber with enough names to ensure the passage of controversial bills.

It was a standard move in the days before the Parliament Acts.

So my response to this "shock horror story" is "man, this is SO 18th Century....

Precisely, a corruption.

[johnofgwent]

In my GCE "O" level syllabus covering British Economic Social and Political History 1760-1832 I recall at l ast six occasions on which Whigs and Tories each used the threat of taking to the sovereign a wish list of peers to stuff the upper chamber with enough names to ensure the passage of controversial bills. 

It was a standard move in the days before the Parliament Acts.

So my response to this "shock horror story" is "man, this is SO 18th Century....

[Sheepy]

I realise that

No you don't which is what he is telling you, but I guess you never will. 

[Good old]

The point I was trying to make is that for a good while now they've all been a danger to our democracy.

I realise that , but all to often the electorate, have been led by the nose to believe , that only socialists are a threat to this countries political fabric. And this is one of those situations that tell what the real state of play actually is.
The danger to our system for sometime now has been the constant attempts to circumnavigate what was always its well used and tested procedure,s used by commons, and Lords.

[cromwell]

As Crosby has been supplying strategy to the Tories for most of their twelve years in power , in fact brought in specifically for his ideas much of them used or in use. It has to be certain this was another of his ideas that got far more than instant dismissal.
Getting rid of the lords is one thing, turning them into loaded dice is quiet another. The fact that this lot would have this sort of idea floating about, being suggested by if not their main strategists , certainly  one of, highlights just how dangerous to our whole parliamentary system this lot are.

The point I was trying to make is that for a good while now they've all been a danger to our democracy.