How thick is Starmer

[cromwell]

What people don't realise is that their private pensions are invested in these companies like BP, and the growth of their pension is linked to these profits.

Really Nick? people realise and remember more that this three card trick privatisation brought us was a con.

Whilst you defend the ndefensible consider that privatisation has brought us to utilities who exhort us to save water and tell us it is a precious resource,not as precious as CEO's massive pay or dividends whilst investment is bugger all and millions of gallons go to waste daily through leaky pipes.

All those companies that we were told would give us choice and cheap bills,Bulb which went to the wall is being offered for sale and octopus will take it on if the govt (us) stump between 1-2 billion pounds support......wow what a bargain and meanwhile we're all paying ridiculous standing charges to help pay for the other bail outs.

Yes the blessed Maggie was a genius.

[Nick]

The miners caught the rough end of what had become a Union nightmare as I remember it. Flying pickets was a big problem and I believe laws were passed to put an end to them, but the way a variety of Union bosses are currently talking they are looking at ways of combining together to bring everyone out. I agree with what they are saying in that the CEOs and Boards are raking it in despite shut downs etc so the pendulum really has swung too far, plus massive amounts are creamed off for investors.

People won't put up with it for long.

What people don't realise is that their private pensions are invested in these companies like BP, and the growth of their pension is linked to these profits. 

[T00ts]

The miners caught the rough end of what had become a Union nightmare as I remember it. Flying pickets was a big problem and I believe laws were passed to put an end to them, but the way a variety of Union bosses are currently talking they are looking at ways of combining together to bring everyone out. I agree with what they are saying in that the CEOs and Boards are raking it in despite shut downs etc so the pendulum really has swung too far, plus massive amounts are creamed off for investors. 

People won't put up with it for long.

[patman post]

I'm venturing back into the hazy days of my experience due to being so young 😉, but didn't Ted Heaths government get rinsed by the trade unions, which put Maggie on a war footing and mind set not to be brought down by the unions?
The NUM were the architects of their own downfall in my opinion and if we had continued her strategy with regard to nuclear we wouldn't be in the sh*t storm we are now.

The miners also gained the reputation of being a group that went on strike during WWII — mind you, the workforce included conscripts, so maybe understandable.

As you say, Heath was thwarted by the miners, and Thatcher was presented with the "Ridley Plan" some years before coming to power. This plan was a detailed strategy to defeat the miners.

Strangely, the NUM ignored the plan, although it was made public. This allowed the government to build up enough coal stocks and ready the country for a war of attrition.

The confrontation was tough on ordinary misled miners, but some, and many union bosses at that time, were out to overthrow the system.

The current round of strikes is geared towards the same end...
https://www.socialist.net/rail-strikes-unite-the-struggles-to-overthrow-the-bosses-system.htm

[Nick]

I didn't say it was,I've seen the bad sides of unions and fought against it,bad bosses too.
Aye and Scargill was a prat though he wasn't wrong was he about the lie that there was no intention to close the mines down?

Again look at the misery,decades of it where once proud working communities were left to rot by the Blessed saint Maggie I remember those times well,being told in my thirties I was too old when applying for jobs and having to live in a caravan and rent the house out to avoid losing our home.


And her legacy? the much vaunted privatisations that see no investment in utilities and may see many living in privation.

I'm venturing back into the hazy days of my experience due to being so young 😉, but didn't Ted Heaths government get rinsed by the trade unions, which put Maggie on a war footing and mind set not to be brought down by the unions?
The NUM were the architects of their own downfall in my opinion and if we had continued her strategy with regard to nuclear we wouldn't be in the sh*t storm we are now. 

[cromwell]

Not necessarily, and it's better to bet bullied and verbally abused by you work "Mates" is it?

I didn't say it was,I've seen the bad sides of unions and fought against it,bad bosses too.

Again, look at the heartache the miners went through because the union called an illegal strike

Aye and Scargill was a prat though he wasn't wrong was he about the lie that there was no intention to close the mines down?

Again look at the misery,decades of it where once proud working communities were left to rot by the Blessed saint Maggie I remember those times well,being told in my thirties I was too old when applying for jobs and having to live in a caravan and rent the house out to avoid losing our home.


And her legacy? the much vaunted privatisations that see no investment in utilities and may see many living in privation.

[Nick]

And where there's no Union presence people get abused by some bullying bosses.

Not necessarily, and it's better to bet bullied and verbally abused by you work "Mates" is it?
Again, look at the heartache the miners went through because the union called an illegal strike

[cromwell]

If you're in a job that has a heavy Union presence then what are you supposed to do? Be abused at work all day because you don't agree with, or are not in a union?

During the Fire Brigade disputes they had to official warn people that they were not allowed to ask each other every day what they had for tea. The answer from every union person was Sausage Chips And Beans, and this is how unions work on people.

And where there's no Union presence people get abused by some bullying bosses.

[Nick]

Patronising  Nick. Are you saying the British working man and women hasn't got a mind of their own . The same people trusted to make a decision on Brexit..?

If you're in a job that has a heavy Union presence then what are you supposed to do? Be abused at work all day because you don't agree with, or are not in a union?

During the Fire Brigade disputes they had to official warn people that they were not allowed to ask each other every day what they had for tea. The answer from every union person was Sausage Chips And Beans, and this is how unions work on people. 

[Good old]

It's the NHS that's suffering from massive patients — obesity's a killer...

Quiet. Corrected.

[Good old]

And this is the crux of the problem, 'The unions won't let...'. So now the tail is wagging the dog, the workers are not coming to the unions for help, the unions are actively controlling the workers like puppets.

As I said, put them on 90 days notice with new T&C's to sign, including a ban on unions. If they don't sign get rid and replace them with a new 90 day trained group of employees.

Patronising  Nick. Are you saying the British working man and women hasn't got a mind of their own . The same people trusted to make a decision on Brexit..?

[patman post]

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/which-british-workers-are-heading-industrial-action-2022-06-20/

It's not just the rail workers though is it.?  The country is well on the way down the pan, without  anything the workers have or haven't done the workers have shown massive patients over the last twelve years,  not rocking the boat much at all until now faced with massive rises in living costs . And all of a sudden it's the workers fault.

It's the NHS that's suffering from massive patients — obesity's a killer...

[Nick]

The way I heard it was that the Unions won't allow all sorts of updating on work practices. eg Kings Cross and Euston are about 5 mins apart and they won't let the same truck of workers go to both sites because they consider them in different regions! Have their break and if a manager speaks to them in that time they restart their break. The more I heard the more ridiculous it all sounded. I feel sure that in response to Starmer leading Labour they have decided to bring the whole country down.

And this is the crux of the problem, 'The unions won't let...'. So now the tail is wagging the dog, the workers are not coming to the unions for help, the unions are actively controlling the workers like puppets. 

As I said, put them on 90 days notice with new T&C's to sign, including a ban on unions. If they don't sign get rid and replace them with a new 90 day trained group of employees. 

[Good old]

The way I heard it was that the Unions won't allow all sorts of updating on work practices. eg Kings Cross and Euston are about 5 mins apart and they won't let the same truck of workers go to both sites because they consider them in different regions! Have their break and if a manager speaks to them in that time they restart their break. The more I heard the more ridiculous it all sounded. I feel sure that in response to Starmer leading Labour they have decided to bring the whole country down.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/which-british-workers-are-heading-industrial-action-2022-06-20/

It's not just the rail workers though is it.?  The country is well on the way down the pan, without  anything the workers have or haven't done the workers have shown massive patience over the last twelve years,  not rocking the boat much at all until now faced with massive rises in living costs . And all of a sudden it's the workers fault.

[T00ts]

The way I heard it was that the Unions won't allow all sorts of updating on work practices. eg Kings Cross and Euston are about 5 mins apart and they won't let the same truck of workers go to both sites because they consider them in different regions! Have their break and if a manager speaks to them in that time they restart their break. The more I heard the more ridiculous it all sounded. I feel sure that in response to Starmer leading Labour they have decided to bring the whole country down.