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[Borchester]

Ten years of under funding the NHS was bound to have an effect come the first disaster.

I also think Boris has been far too indecisive. Panic buying could have been stopped easily, with rationing.

(I have just translated an email as to what is being enforced, and I do been enforced where I had to cancel my holiday in Brittany. A4 page of text.)

You can't leave your home without downloading a form from the mayors office website, filling it out if you have any of the few reasons to go out and carrying it with you. There are large fines if you don't. The village weekly market is being limited to 100 people at a time. Enforced by police.

Underfunding the NHS my arse. It gobbles up one pound out of every six in our taxes and when the country is hit by a minor foreign bug still does not have the guts to admit that the only cure is to go home, go to bed and in the case of half the sufferers, hope to grow some balls.

[papasmurf]

Once this is over if it ever is, someone needs to sort out NHS management or lack of.

Ten years of under funding the NHS was bound to have an effect come the first disaster.

I also think Boris has been far too indecisive. Panic buying could have been stopped easily, with rationing.

(I have just translated an email as to what is being enforced, and I do been enforced where I had to cancel my holiday in Brittany. A4 page of text.)

You can't leave your home without downloading a form from the mayors office website, filling it out if you have any of the few reasons to go out and carrying it with you. There are large fines if you don't. The village weekly market is being limited to 100 people at a time. Enforced by police.

[T00ts]

Am I missing something? Some NHS chap just on being questioned about the NHS preparedness.  I have to ask, how long have they known that Covid19 existed? How long have they had to make sure that safety equipment which they freely admit they have aplenty, was in the right places in readiness for the front line? How can they casually tell us all that they are very aware of the crisis that has now arrived at London hospitals but they have a distribution problem.

How long are they going to leave medics with little or no protection while they sit around wringing their hands? There seem to be a massive organisational problem in the NHS which can muddle along unseen until something like this really shows up their inadequacy.

Once this is over if it ever is, someone needs to sort out NHS management or lack of.

[Barry]

I just hope you and others start to take matters seriously, "I am all right Jack," could endanger a lot of lives.

You took a few words which Cromwell wrote out of their context, which was sarcasm against the conspiracy theorists. To me, Cromwell seems fully aware of the threat, as do you and the government.



In respect to counting new cases, there has been a change. First we were checking everyone who rang 111 and thought they had a cough. Now they are only testing people upon admission to hospital, so it is a new set of data with different parameters.

This accounts for a change in the death / confirmed infections rate.

[T00ts]

As of today the WHO reports there are 35,000 CONFIRMED cases in Italy. There are 1,300 hospitals in Italy which equates to 27 people per hospital. Is this what is reported as a crisis?



Not disrespecting the souls that have died but something doesn't add up.

The thing that doesn't add up for me is how anyone can continue to make comments about this being less than it has already proved to be. We have pretty much every country in the world experiencing severe illness in so many people all at once that medical intervention is impossible for too many. Yes - some experience a mild form and are back on their feet in a week or so, but anyone, repeat anyone, with anything undermining their heart, lungs or blood system has been seen to struggle to the point of requiring assisted breathing. Without that assistance more will die than live.

We all assume unless proven otherwise that we are fit and healthy. But anyone living in cities or in places of pollution will have lung damage to some degree. Anyone who has smoked Ditto. Anyone who has lived with a smoker Ditto. Anyone who has suffered bronchitis at times in their lives Ditto.

To simply dismiss this illness and the people who are concerned, as well as governments all over the world, who are trying their best to contain it, with the idea that this is just a little flu/cold, is bordering on ignorant if not downright insanity.

It will take weeks for many people to recover. Some have been found to suffer permanent lung damage after 'recovering'. It will take weeks for many to die. Don't look at the death rate yet. It will the death rate in months time that may well be the shock you are waiting for. I just hope that those who get ill don't have someone with them who thinks they are making it up when they are gasping for air and panicking that they cannot breathe while all the time in vicious pain.

[papasmurf]

Is it really?





I give up.

I just hope you and others start to take matters seriously, "I am all right Jack," could endanger a lot of lives.

[cromwell]

Frankly that is a stupid and very dangerous mindset. There are many millions of people in Britain in at serious risk categories.

They will put into serious danger by people who think it is just the sniffles.

Two people where I live did not out themselves into self isolation when they returned from a high risk area they continued to work.

 There followed some VERY serious words and a confrontation with their employer, who knew but had let them work.

That could have directly and indirectly infected the entire village with at least 500 of the population at serious risk including me.

Is it really?





I give up.

[papasmurf]

 after all it is just a lot of people with a runny nose.

Frankly that is a stupid and very dangerous mindset. There are many millions of people in Britain in at serious risk categories.

They will put into serious danger by people who think it is just the sniffles.

Two people where I live did not out themselves into self isolation when they returned from a high risk area they continued to work.

 There followed some VERY serious words and a confrontation with their employer, who knew but had let them work.

That could have directly and indirectly infected the entire village with at least 500 of the population at serious risk including me.

[cromwell]

As of today the WHO reports there are 35,000 CONFIRMED cases in Italy. There are 1,300 hospitals in Italy which equates to 27 people per hospital. Is this what is reported as a crisis?



Not disrespecting the souls that have died but something doesn't add up.

Oh Ffs what doesn't add up,how many hospitals are there in this country where you see a sign saying no A&E here,they are perhaps day hospitals,eye,geriatric specialise in certain things.



How many intensive care beds are there? Is what's important,but look yeah practically the whole world has shut itself down or intends too,endangered whole economies because the guardian and perhaps Corbyn too have plotted to imagine all this up to gain power and return us to the EU,even Boris has got on board and Trump too after all it is just a lot of people with a runny nose. :parp:  :fcplm:

[Nick]

Are they?perhaps but do we believe? dunno but let's hope so.



Anyway for all those who think that it's something and nothing

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As of today the WHO reports there are 35,000 CONFIRMED cases in Italy. There are 1,300 hospitals in Italy which equates to 27 people per hospital. Is this what is reported as a crisis?



Not disrespecting the souls that have died but something doesn't add up.

[cromwell]

There were 475 died in Italy today, that's 1 every 3 minutes.

The most that died in China in a day was 150 on February 23rd and they are getting it under control a month later.

Are they?perhaps but do we believe? dunno but let's hope so.



Anyway for all those who think that it's something and nothing

 https://youtu.be/rfkbv_WQtn0">https://youtu.be/rfkbv_WQtn0



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[Barry]

There were 475 died in Italy today, that's 1 every 3 minutes.

The most that died in China in a day was 150 on February 23rd and they are getting it under control a month later.

[Barry]

As I'm off to Greece later this year, the best case would be that we have had it and recovered before we go.

So should I try to find someone with it?

Holiday to Greece has today been cancelled by the tour operator. Won't be flying anywhere this year.

[Scott777]

Maybe 20,000 will die with this virus as it runs its course, but many of those may well have died this year, in any case.

That's a good point, because sometimes the MSM report that someone has died AFTER getting the virus, but then you read the whole article, and in fact they don't know WHY they died, because a post-mortem isn't yet done.  It's the oldest trick in the book, to sensationalise the story.

[cromwell]

I can see both sides of the argument. The CV19 is actually removing a lot of aged and unhealthy people from the planet.

In the UK 600,000 people die each year. Maybe 20,000 will die with this virus as it runs its course, but many of those may well have died this year, in any case.

It would be economically better to have this virus go through the population quicker and have a shorter close-down, or no close-down at all.

With everyone waiting for the death figures each day all 20,000 to die in 2 months might panic people. It's a very difficult decision to make in so many respects, socially, medically and economically.

What I want to know is how will we know if people are immune if they can't be sure they have had it? Because when it has gone we will be a healthier society as a whole, but only for a short time.

Well hope you're right,I have seen figures that the number may be as high as 250000.