Latest Chinese export - coronavirus COVID-19

[cromwell]

With respect to the corona virus - only thing to come out of china which lasted longer than a week.  I am promoting the message;

China Lied... People Died

Although I do not trust the official numbers too much (and the way they are presented to us) - I am suspecting that China will try and take advantage of the mess.  One message - Boycott China...

Well as Smurfy says a bit difficult,as to your comment about it lasting more than a week I guess you mean the rest they export doesn't?
Hmmm remember when Japan was in the same position people here called their stuff Jap crap.......how did that work out?
Doesn't mean I suppor them but doesn't mean all they make is rubbish either.

[papasmurf]

  One message - Boycott China...

Near to impossible to do.

[MrMonkey23]

With respect to the corona virus - only thing to come out of china which lasted longer than a week.  I am promoting the message;

China Lied... People Died

Although I do not trust the official numbers too much (and the way they are presented to us) - I am suspecting that China will try and take advantage of the mess.  One message - Boycott China...

[Borg Refinery]

Matt Hancock has said that at least 72% of people (may be as many as 4 out of 5) now testing positive for infection are asymptomatic.
This means the track and trace idea of self isolation for anyone with symptoms has been and will be very inefficient. Because 4 out of 5 people with the infection are walking around completely unaware.
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-06-11/coronavirus-study-finds-as-many-as-80-of-positive-cases-do-not-show-symptoms/

The article doesn't make it clear whether all these people were asymptomatic throughout, or whether some of them were pre-symptomatic.

I heard another expert this morning saying that most of the studies are seeming to indicate that people without symptoms are much less likely to pass the virus on than those with symptoms.

As an aside, she also said that they are seeming (again these are early indications) to find that many people who get coronavirus don't actually pass it on to anybody at all, and that most of the transmission is coming from a small % of people who are infecting lots of others.  This is not because there is something special about those people themselves, but because of the social interactions they are having.

I understood that they think truly asymptomatic people are much less likely to spread.

However pre-symptomatic people are likely to spread - which is the whole reason this disease is tricky to stop.

The "super spreader" theory has been around for ages and probably does apply to this disease as well.

Intuitively an air stewardess, hairdresser, taxi driver etc is more likely to spread CV to a lot of people than a work from home novelist or a gardener simply because of the number of close interactions they might have per day.

That's my understanding too.


I'm not sure if any model developed so far even bothers to account for those issues, have you seen any that do? I haven't. Then again our model is as crude and blunt instrument-y as it's possible to get. I see the special chavs alliance have tried to come out in force today to try and silence protests but have abysmally failed.

[Barry]

The epidemiologists are out in force, today. 

[Javert]

Matt Hancock has said that at least 72% of people (may be as many as 4 out of 5) now testing positive for infection are asymptomatic.
This means the track and trace idea of self isolation for anyone with symptoms has been and will be very inefficient. Because 4 out of 5 people with the infection are walking around completely unaware.
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-06-11/coronavirus-study-finds-as-many-as-80-of-positive-cases-do-not-show-symptoms/

The article doesn't make it clear whether all these people were asymptomatic throughout, or whether some of them were pre-symptomatic.

I heard another expert this morning saying that most of the studies are seeming to indicate that people without symptoms are much less likely to pass the virus on than those with symptoms.

As an aside, she also said that they are seeming (again these are early indications) to find that many people who get coronavirus don't actually pass it on to anybody at all, and that most of the transmission is coming from a small % of people who are infecting lots of others.  This is not because there is something special about those people themselves, but because of the social interactions they are having.

I understood that they think truly asymptomatic people are much less likely to spread.

However pre-symptomatic people are likely to spread - which is the whole reason this disease is tricky to stop.

The "super spreader" theory has been around for ages and probably does apply to this disease as well.

Intuitively an air stewardess, hairdresser, taxi driver etc is more likely to spread CV to a lot of people than a work from home novelist or a gardener simply because of the number of close interactions they might have per day.

Agreed but super spreader is in my opinion an unfortunate term as it could be taken to indicate something special about the person themselves, whereas actually it's simply their interactions and behaviour.

[BeElBeeBub]

Matt Hancock has said that at least 72% of people (may be as many as 4 out of 5) now testing positive for infection are asymptomatic.
This means the track and trace idea of self isolation for anyone with symptoms has been and will be very inefficient. Because 4 out of 5 people with the infection are walking around completely unaware.
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-06-11/coronavirus-study-finds-as-many-as-80-of-positive-cases-do-not-show-symptoms/

The article doesn't make it clear whether all these people were asymptomatic throughout, or whether some of them were pre-symptomatic.

I heard another expert this morning saying that most of the studies are seeming to indicate that people without symptoms are much less likely to pass the virus on than those with symptoms.

As an aside, she also said that they are seeming (again these are early indications) to find that many people who get coronavirus don't actually pass it on to anybody at all, and that most of the transmission is coming from a small % of people who are infecting lots of others.  This is not because there is something special about those people themselves, but because of the social interactions they are having.

I understood that they think truly asymptomatic people are much less likely to spread.

However pre-symptomatic people are likely to spread - which is the whole reason this disease is tricky to stop.

The "super spreader" theory has been around for ages and probably does apply to this disease as well.

Intuitively an air stewardess, hairdresser, taxi driver etc is more likely to spread CV to a lot of people than a work from home novelist or a gardener simply because of the number of close interactions they might have per day.

[Javert]

Matt Hancock has said that at least 72% of people (may be as many as 4 out of 5) now testing positive for infection are asymptomatic.
This means the track and trace idea of self isolation for anyone with symptoms has been and will be very inefficient. Because 4 out of 5 people with the infection are walking around completely unaware.
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-06-11/coronavirus-study-finds-as-many-as-80-of-positive-cases-do-not-show-symptoms/

The article doesn't make it clear whether all these people were asymptomatic throughout, or whether some of them were pre-symptomatic.

I heard another expert this morning saying that most of the studies are seeming to indicate that people without symptoms are much less likely to pass the virus on than those with symptoms.

As an aside, she also said that they are seeming (again these are early indications) to find that many people who get coronavirus don't actually pass it on to anybody at all, and that most of the transmission is coming from a small % of people who are infecting lots of others.  This is not because there is something special about those people themselves, but because of the social interactions they are having.

[Barry]

Matt Hancock has said that at least 72% of people (may be as many as 4 out of 5) now testing positive for infection are asymptomatic.
This means the track and trace idea of self isolation for anyone with symptoms has been and will be very inefficient. Because 4 out of 5 people with the infection are walking around completely unaware.
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-06-11/coronavirus-study-finds-as-many-as-80-of-positive-cases-do-not-show-symptoms/

[Barry]

https://elpais.com/elpais/2020/05/18/ciencia/1589818040_544543.html">//https://elpais.com/elpais/2020/05/18/ciencia/1589818040_544543.html

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The 12 letters that changed the world



Interesting article about the gene sequence of the virus.

[cromwell]

Funny reading this I kept thinking have I got it yes/no,who knows? Kept feeling crap for a few days then ok then crap again some of the symptoms.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/15/weird-hell-professor-advent-calendar-covid-19-symptoms-paul-garner">//https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/15/weird-hell-professor-advent-calendar-covid-19-symptoms-paul-garner

[Borg Refinery]

I guess they can survive it because they spent the last decade turning politics into a culture based football game - pick your side, stay loyal.  It's irrelevant how badly they do, you must just carry on supporting them.

Hasn't it always been like that?

[Javert]

World's media has lined up to savage Britain's coronavirus response



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8295929/The-world-asks-did-Britain-wrong-coronavirus.html">https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... virus.html">https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8295929/The-world-asks-did-Britain-wrong-coronavirus.html



And the daily mail with em'.



Dunno how Bojo/Cummings' govt could survive this but whatever, May survived absolutely anything.

I guess they can survive it because they spent the last decade turning politics into a culture based football game - pick your side, stay loyal.  It's irrelevant how badly they do, you must just carry on supporting them.

[Borg Refinery]

World's media has lined up to savage Britain's coronavirus response



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8295929/The-world-asks-did-Britain-wrong-coronavirus.html">https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... virus.html">https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8295929/The-world-asks-did-Britain-wrong-coronavirus.html



And the daily mail with em'.



Dunno how Bojo/Cummings' govt could survive this but whatever, May survived absolutely anything.

[Javert]

The 7 day moving average of daily deaths peaked at 943 on April 13th.

This figure has dropped to 568 for May 5th.

There is a huge problem in counting at weekend, I have no idea why that is, but it seriously distorts the figures.

e.g. 288 May 4th, 649 May 6th average 468 so still falling.  :thup:

Bottom line is that this is because doing the paperwork on death recording was not traditionally seen as a critical task during weekends - I suspect that in normal times, we would be getting figures close to zero for weekend dates because the second person who has to sign off on the death certificate wouldn't be working the weekend.