Latest Chinese export - coronavirus COVID-19

[Thomas]

Now the next thing is, how come they won't release any figures for the rest of the Chinese mainland. Yet have the WHO doing all of their bidding.

Dont know sheep , pat has all the answers. Where he leads , we are all sure to follow......

[Sheepy]

Now the next thing is, how come they won't release any figures for the rest of the Chinese mainland. Yet have the WHO doing all of their bidding.

[Sheepy]

What did they know exactly? and what do you mean by "travel commence" It might surprise you to learn that millions of people travel around the country - inter city and inter province, every day. Hundreds of thousands fly into and out of China every day, so what are you saying? that the moment they had some cases of unexplained Pneumonia that they should have closed down the whole country? or perhaps when the first person died on Jan 12th?
Its crazy talk.
If you mean the main holiday travel, well no you are wrong, the main holiday surge would have started on the 23rd, the day of the lockdown in Wuhan and Hubei. By Sunday the 26th, still at the start of the holiday, all inter province travel was stopped. Travel in and out of Wuhan had been controlled for over a week, and banned on the 23rd. That is before the holiday. Other areas, where there was no virus at that time, locked down as a precaution a couple of days later during the start of the holiday.

you are arguing with yourself, by your own admittance you have said I am correct the Chinese knew before Chinese new year and decided to let travel for new year commence.

[Thomas]

What is amazing is the people who insist it isn't serious. Britain is back up to over a 1000 Covid-19 deaths a week.
I am now surrounded by plague clusters.

aye.

it is a worry pappy.

[papasmurf]

It really is amazing just how many countries have been hoodwinked into believing Covid is that serious!!!

What is amazing is the people who insist it isn't serious. Britain is back up to over a 1000 Covid-19 deaths a week.
I am now surrounded by plague clusters.

[patman post]

It really is amazing just how many countries have been hoodwinked into believing Covid is that serious!!!
Just think how much production and wealth has been lost due to international overreactions. Especially since China, Russia and the US all all denied it was serious, but now claim to have perfected treatments and vaccines...

[Sampanviking]

Well it is true then, that the Chinese knew before new year and still let travel commence.

What did they know exactly? and what do you mean by "travel commence" It might surprise you to learn that millions of people travel around the country - inter city and inter province, every day. Hundreds of thousands fly into and out of China every day, so what are you saying? that the moment they had some cases of unexplained Pneumonia that they should have closed down the whole country? or perhaps when the first person died on Jan 12th?
Its crazy talk.
If you mean the main holiday travel, well no you are wrong, the main holiday surge would have started on the 23rd, the day of the lockdown in Wuhan and Hubei. By Sunday the 26th, still at the start of the holiday, all inter province travel was stopped. Travel in and out of Wuhan had been controlled for over a week, and banned on the 23rd. That is before the holiday. Other areas, where there was no virus at that time, locked down as a precaution a couple of days later during the start of the holiday.

[Thomas]

Children and schools

It has been known since March that the risk of disease and transmission in children is minimal in the case of Covid19. The main reason for this is probably a pre-existing immunity due to frequent contact with previous coronaviruses (i.e. cold viruses). There was and is therefore no medical reason for the closure of primary schools, kindergartens and day-care centres and for special protective measures in schools.

In the meantime, further studies on this issue have been published:

    The British epidemiologist Professor Mark Woolhouse stated that there is not a single confirmed case of infection of a teacher by a pupil worldwide.
    Tracing pioneer Iceland found "not a single case where a child under 10 infected their parents."
    US CDC director Robert Redfield explained that additional deaths from suicides and drug overdoses by adolescents have been "far greater" than Covid deaths in recent months.
    A joint report from Sweden (without primary school closure) and Finland (with primary school closure) concluded that there was no difference in infection rates among children in the two countries.
    In the USA, three times more children up to 14 years of age have died of influenza than of Covid-19 (101 versus 31) since the beginning of the year, according to the CDC.
    A Canadian study found that most of the children with "Kawasaki-like" inflammatory symptoms had no corona infection at all. The disease in children is "very, very rare", the researchers said.
    A German study came to the conclusion that children act epidemiologically "like brake blocks" and slow down the spread of the new corona virus.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/no-known-case-of-teacher-catching-coronavirus-from-pupils-says-scientist-3zk5g2x6z

https://www.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/blog/hunting-down-covid-19/

[Sheepy]

That is simply not correct. Chinese New Year was on Jan 25th, while Wuhan and much of Hubei province went into Lockdown on Jan 23rd. On the 25th Nationwide measures were being introduced including a ban on Inter Provincial travel. Other cities were on various levels of lockdown as well. Some people had already traveled for the Holidays before this date and they were told to stay put and not return back .

As for accusations of "letting the virus out" it is plain ridiculous. The WHO confirmed that Covid 19 was a new virus and responsible for the illnesses on Jan 7th. There was still a huge amount of work to be done to determine what kind of virus was being dealt with. It took time, during that time people were being tested and told to Isolate, but lockdown only started as soon as the WHO confirmed Human to Human transmission. Unfortunately Wuhan is far from being some backwater. It is a provincial capital linked fully into the rest of China and the World. It was being spread from before anybody knew anything.

At the end of the day, most other countries had far more time and greater certainty with which to prepare. So why did they fail to contain the virus as effectively as the Chinese?

Well it is true then, that the Chinese knew before new year and still let travel commence.

[Thomas]

Deaths with or by or without coronavirus: In England and some other countries it has been reported that all deceased persons who tested positive for the new coronavirus since the beginning of the year were counted as Covid deaths – regardless of the time of the test, a possible recovery, and the actual cause of death. In the US state of Colorado, it was found that about 10% of deaths were with but not from coronavirus. In other US states, further cases of "corona deaths" became known that in reality were test-positive homicide victims and motorcycle accidents.

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/why-no-one-can-ever-recover-from-covid-19-in-england-a-statistical-anomaly/

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — A 60-year-old man who died from a gun shot wound to the head.

A 90-year-old man who fell and died from complications of a hip fracture.

A 77-year-old woman who died of Parkinson's disease.

These are some of the deaths in Palm Beach County recently, and incorrectly, attributed to COVID-19 in medical examiner records.

https://cbs12.com/news/local/i-team-deaths-incorrectly-attributed-to-covid-19-in-palm-beach-county

[Thomas]

Covid lethality: In May, the US health authority CDC published a cautious "best estimate" of covid lethality (IFR) of 0.26% (assuming 35% asymptomatic infections). In July, a new IFR of 0.65% was published. However, this new value is not based on own calculations or new studies, but on a meta-study in which the existing literature was simply searched for all previous IFR values.

Thus, the meta-study mainly consists of previous modelling studies as well as "raw IFR values", which are much too high compared to the actual, population-based IFR values from antibody studies. With few exceptions, the real IFR values are between 0.1% and 0.4%, and when mucosal and cellular immunity are taken into account, they are approximately 0.1% or less.

However, the virus has spread much faster than anticipated, thus causing a temporarily high death rate in some places, especially if nursing homes and hospitals got affected.

https://swprs.org/studies-on-covid-19-lethality/

[Thomas]

I was just about to say exactly the same thing. Covid-19 first appeared in a densely populated city of 11 million in the country with the world's largest population. Despite having over 80,000 cases and 3,000 deaths, China managed to bring the spread under control and has managed to keep infection levels very low up until now (October) with just a handful of cases today.  I agree that it would neither be possible nor in the self-interest of the Chinese government to downplay the statistics to any great extent.

The west and indeed most of the rest of the world is fumbling around arguing about evening curfews, bar opening hours and who can meet who when the strictest possible lockdown is what worked in China. Lockdowns worked in other countries too, including here. It's the way lockdowns were lifted that's made the second wave so bad.

Wuhan: A Harvard modelling study in the scientific journal Nature came to the conclusion that even in the Covid epicentre Wuhan, up to 87% of the infections went unnoticed, i.e. remained without symptoms or mild. This means that the Covid19 lethality (IFR) in Wuhan may also fall to about 0.1% or below. The Nature study confirms an earlier Japanese study in the journal BMC Medicine, which calculated an IFR of 0.12% for Wuhan already back in March.

However, Chinese authorities couldn't yet know this comparatively low lethality in January and February and therefore built additional clinics at short notice, many of which eventually remained mostly unused. Only the systematic test results from South Korea and the cruise ship Diamond Princess showed that the lethality of the new corona virus in the general population is indeed lower than initially feared.

Up to 87% of cases in Wuhan went undetected, according to analysis

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/study-finds-early-wuhan-covid-cases-largely-undetected/

Interesting quackers that yet again you try and parrot the death rate from covid as being around the 3 / 4 % mark , when subsequent data and analysis suggest this is bollocks. The death rate in wuhan for example was around 0.1% , and as the article above states , an earlier japanese study calculated the death rate at around 0.12 %.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.12.20022434v3

As ever , you really love over dramatising situations dont you?

You are by definition the arch typical sheep that  believes everything the mainstream media tell you and of course you are beloved of the government .

An easy controlled simplistic fool without an original  thought in your whole body.

[cromwell]

That is simply not correct. Chinese New Year was on Jan 25th, while Wuhan and much of Hubei province went into Lockdown on Jan 23rd. On the 25th Nationwide measures were being introduced including a ban on Inter Provincial travel. Other cities were on various levels of lockdown as well. Some people had already traveled for the Holidays before this date and they were told to stay put and not return back .

As for accusations of "letting the virus out" it is plain ridiculous. The WHO confirmed that Covid 19 was a new virus and responsible for the illnesses on Jan 7th. There was still a huge amount of work to be done to determine what kind of virus was being dealt with. It took time, during that time people were being tested and told to Isolate, but lockdown only started as soon as the WHO confirmed Human to Human transmission. Unfortunately Wuhan is far from being some backwater. It is a provincial capital linked fully into the rest of China and the World. It was being spread from before anybody knew anything.

At the end of the day, most other countries had far more time and greater certainty with which to prepare. So why did they fail to contain the virus as effectively as the Chinese?

Well TBH the Chinese nation is more closed and controlled than much of the rest of the world.

[Sampanviking]

Well as you all like facts, the Chinese doctor reported it before Chinese new year and the Communist party knew about it, but they let Chinese new year go ahead, knowing full well the Chinese travel all over the world for Chinese new year. They decided to deal with it after new year was done and it was spread, make your own conclusions.

That is simply not correct. Chinese New Year was on Jan 25th, while Wuhan and much of Hubei province went into Lockdown on Jan 23rd. On the 25th Nationwide measures were being introduced including a ban on Inter Provincial travel. Other cities were on various levels of lockdown as well. Some people had already traveled for the Holidays before this date and they were told to stay put and not return back .

As for accusations of "letting the virus out" it is plain ridiculous. The WHO confirmed that Covid 19 was a new virus and responsible for the illnesses on Jan 7th. There was still a huge amount of work to be done to determine what kind of virus was being dealt with. It took time, during that time people were being tested and told to Isolate, but lockdown only started as soon as the WHO confirmed Human to Human transmission. Unfortunately Wuhan is far from being some backwater. It is a provincial capital linked fully into the rest of China and the World. It was being spread from before anybody knew anything.

At the end of the day, most other countries had far more time and greater certainty with which to prepare. So why did they fail to contain the virus as effectively as the Chinese?

[Sheepy]

So, SPV and HDQQ, if they were so clever, why did they let it out of the country.
Conspiracy theorists say that was deliberate, perhaps if the Chinese you are both supporting, are so clever, they might be right.

Well as you all like facts, the Chinese doctor reported it before Chinese new year and the Communist party knew about it, but they let Chinese new year go ahead, knowing full well the Chinese travel all over the world for Chinese new year. They decided to deal with it after new year was done and it was spread, make your own conclusions.