Moral underpinnings

Started by srb7677, August 14, 2022, 08:54:02 AM

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Sheepy

Just because I don't say anything, it doesn't mean I haven't noticed!

Nick

Quote from: cromwell on August 14, 2022, 09:55:27 AM
I am known around here as a sometime nazi,liberal,occasionally socialist with a distaste for the monarchy.....all those partly true though it depends on what defines a nazi.

I think those that need it should be helped,sadly there are those beyond help.
Acquiring money just for the sake is beyond me,reward achievers certainly but don't punish or ridicule those not able.

I find going back to the issue of money that much has been lost in pursuit of it,such as building societies,the mutuals and the drive for privatisation that saw many but not all in time as abject failures regarding the well being of the whole population.

Other things lost are the likes of remploy that saw aforementioned needing help catered for and able to work and earn instead of being patronised and exploited as happens now,profit and loss doesn't always have to figure in what is of value.

There's  more I might add later.
Lazy gits need it, why should I help them?
6 people in my household ranging from 17 to 55, everyone working full time. Are we special? Nope, my wife and I have instilled a work ethic into them all and they realise if you want stuff you get off your arse and work for it. My wife used to say to them as children when they fell over and cried, 'is your leg hanging off? No so get up'. 

The vast majority of people find success through graft, the like of Stephen Fry, Hawking and Einstein make up such a tiny percentage, but undoubtedly they worked hard as well as having brains the size of planets. 

We all know communism doesn't work, socialism also because it's impossible to separate the can't do from the can't be arsed to do. Strange how they all want the capitalist bird to regurgitate into the their mouths but hate the idea of capitalism as it would mean they'd actually have to do something. 

Steve proclaims he does long hours, I dispute that, but I would as I run my own business. He advocated socialist values which as I said are society helps those who can't help them selves. I'll buy that, but as far as I am aware there is nothing stopping Steve from working 60 hours a week and not struggling. To me that is not a socialist problem. 
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.

Streetwalker

Quote from: srb7677 on August 14, 2022, 08:54:02 AM
I am known around here for being something of a socialist left winger. But a sense of morality underpins my political ideology. A belief in charity, the strong helping the weak, a sense of fairness and distaste for excess and greed, a belief in altruism rather than selfishness, a live and let live attitude to others, an abhorrence of any kind of bigotry, respect for women, dislike of violence and cruelty, a fair deal for all and a dislike of excessive exploitation. A belief in the common good via a collective community. A dislike of hypocrisy and double standards and lies. A belief that any society that can afford billionaires ought to be able to afford to house the homeless and feed the hungry.

I have tried to set out the moral values my ideology is built around rather than trying to make ideological points but it is surprisingly difficult because my moral values run through my belief systems like a name through Blackpool rock.

It might be interesting to hear what moral values unpin the ideologies of others, which might then lead to a debate.

I await Nick's contribution - should he choose to make one - with an anticipatory chuckle at the sort of thing likely to be laid before us, lol. But let's see.
I agree 100% as would most .

What some of us dont like though is people taking the piss out of our good nature , we are always on the lookout for those feckers 

cromwell

Quote from: srb7677 on August 14, 2022, 08:54:02 AM
I am known around here for being something of a socialist left winger. But a sense of morality underpins my political ideology. A belief in charity, the strong helping the weak, a sense of fairness and distaste for excess and greed, a belief in altruism rather than selfishness, a live and let live attitude to others, an abhorrence of any kind of bigotry, respect for women, dislike of violence and cruelty, a fair deal for all and a dislike of excessive exploitation. A belief in the common good via a collective community. A dislike of hypocrisy and double standards and lies. A belief that any society that can afford billionaires ought to be able to afford to house the homeless and feed the hungry.

I have tried to set out the moral values my ideology is built around rather than trying to make ideological points but it is surprisingly difficult because my moral values run through my belief systems like a name through Blackpool rock.

It might be interesting to hear what moral values unpin the ideologies of others, which might then lead to a debate.

I await Nick's contribution - should he choose to make one - with an anticipatory chuckle at the sort of thing likely to be laid before us, lol. But let's see.
I am known around here as a sometime nazi,liberal,occasionally socialist with a distaste for the monarchy.....all those partly true though it depends on what defines a nazi.

I think those that need it should be helped,sadly there are those beyond help.
Acquiring money just for the sake is beyond me,reward achievers certainly but don't punish or ridicule those not able.

I find going back to the issue of money that much has been lost in pursuit of it,such as building societies,the mutuals and the drive for privatisation that saw many but not all in time as abject failures regarding the well being of the whole population.

Other things lost are the likes of remploy that saw aforementioned needing help catered for and able to work and earn instead of being patronised and exploited as happens now,profit and loss doesn't always have to figure in what is of value.

There's  more I might add later.
Energy....secure and affordable,not that hard is it?

srb7677

I am known around here for being something of a socialist left winger. But a sense of morality underpins my political ideology. A belief in charity, the strong helping the weak, a sense of fairness and distaste for excess and greed, a belief in altruism rather than selfishness, a live and let live attitude to others, an abhorrence of any kind of bigotry, respect for women, dislike of violence and cruelty, a fair deal for all and a dislike of excessive exploitation. A belief in the common good via a collective community. A dislike of hypocrisy and double standards and lies. A belief that any society that can afford billionaires ought to be able to afford to house the homeless and feed the hungry.

I have tried to set out the moral values my ideology is built around rather than trying to make ideological points but it is surprisingly difficult because my moral values run through my belief systems like a name through Blackpool rock.

It might be interesting to hear what moral values unpin the ideologies of others, which might then lead to a debate.

I await Nick's contribution - should he choose to make one - with an anticipatory chuckle at the sort of thing likely to be laid before us, lol. But let's see.
We are not all in the same boat. We are in the same storm. Some of us have yachts. Some of us have canoes. Some of us are drowning.