How balanced is it here?

Started by T00ts, September 12, 2022, 01:15:28 PM

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T00ts

Quote from: srb7677 on September 12, 2022, 03:07:34 PM
I never really thought you were being wilfully devious, more allowing your subconscious bias to dictate your nomenclature without thinking more deeply about it. We can all potentially be guilty of that sometimes.
You ought to stop digging. ;D My unconscious bias? Not thinking deeply about it? Wow!  Butt Kick  Dancing

srb7677

Quote from: T00ts on September 12, 2022, 03:01:41 PM
Let's see what the poll reveals then!
Well any genuine left winger who is neither a Blairite nor a communist has no true option, so has a choice of one that is wholly inaccurate or of not voting at all as I have already been told I should have done.

This could potentially skew the poll. And even the most hard right of Tories are unlikely to vote far right because of the term's fascist or neo-nazi connotations.
We are not all in the same boat. We are in the same storm. Some of us have yachts. Some of us have canoes. Some of us are drowning.

srb7677

Quote from: T00ts on September 12, 2022, 02:52:30 PM
LOL Well you've explained your position I was trying to be fair to all and obviously failed miserably yet again. You credit me with a much more devious nature than I possess.
I never really thought you were being wilfully devious, more allowing your subconscious bias to dictate your nomenclature without thinking more deeply about it. We can all potentially be guilty of that sometimes.
We are not all in the same boat. We are in the same storm. Some of us have yachts. Some of us have canoes. Some of us are drowning.

T00ts

Quote from: srb7677 on September 12, 2022, 03:00:27 PM
Well take the three in charge. Your good self, Cromwell, and Nick.

Nick is a hard right Tory. You not quite so hard but definitely a Tory

Cromwell is a more complicated figure but if I had to summarise I'd see him as a typical red waller. Socially conservative and nationalistic but economically left leaning. Hard to put him in either camp entirely but you and Nick are definitely right wingers.

As for the wider membership,  myself, HDQQ, Good Old, Boycey and - on some issues - the recently reappeared Smurf are the only left leaners that I can think of who are or in any way ever have been regular posters.  All the rest seem to be adherents of the right, though Patman Post does appear to be very socially liberal with it.

Just my observations.
Let's see what the poll reveals then!

srb7677

Quote from: T00ts on September 12, 2022, 01:15:28 PM
I see grumps that there are too many Right wing Conservatives on the Forum. I think there are more Labour/Left. So vote and see what's true!
Well take the three in charge. Your good self, Cromwell, and Nick.

Nick is a hard right Tory. You not quite so hard but definitely a Tory

Cromwell is a more complicated figure but if I had to summarise I'd see him as a typical red waller. Socially conservative and nationalistic but economically left leaning. Hard to put him in either camp entirely but you and Nick are definitely right wingers.

As for the wider membership,  myself, HDQQ, Good Old, Boycey and - on some issues - the recently reappeared Smurf are the only left leaners that I can think of who are or in any way ever have been regular posters.  All the rest seem to be adherents of the right, though Patman Post does appear to be very socially liberal with it.

Just my observations.
We are not all in the same boat. We are in the same storm. Some of us have yachts. Some of us have canoes. Some of us are drowning.

T00ts

Quote from: Barry on September 12, 2022, 02:48:04 PM
Proof I am a centrist having done several political questionnaires in the past.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/test
You are Will 'o' the Wisp! No wonder you feel homeless.  ;D

B0ycey

Quote from: srb7677 on September 12, 2022, 02:50:26 PM
I did for the reasons stated in my previous poll, because the only alternative was the Blairite centre left. I am not actually far left at all but had to work with Toot's abuse of nomenklature. I am neither Blairite nor communist so in actual fact am nether centre left nor far left, merely left.
If you're not far Left you don't vote Steve. And a bit if history for people, Left and right are synonymous terms anyway and they are terms that reflect what side of the house you sit. Any poll that has any relevance should use terms like... Communist, Anarchist, Socialist, Social Democrat, Libertarian, Conservative, Nazi, Tory. Communists being Far Left and Tories being what is commonly known as Far Right.

T00ts

Quote from: srb7677 on September 12, 2022, 02:42:36 PM
Your nomenclature is typically loaded and pejorative. I am not centre left which is often code for centrist Blairite types. But I am not far left either because that is a communist/ Leninist type.

But accepting the likelihood that your abuse of the term is designed for the mislabelling of democratic socialists like me, I ticked far left because there were no more accurate options and I am certain that your abuse of the term had people like me in mind. lol
LOL Well you've explained your position I was trying to be fair to all and obviously failed miserably yet again. You credit me with a much more devious nature than I possess.

srb7677

Quote from: B0ycey on September 12, 2022, 02:47:35 PM
Right, this poll has been on for less than an hour and the Tories are already rigging it. Who the f**k voted Far Left.
I did for the reasons stated in my previous post, because the only alternative was the Blairite centre left. I am not actually far left at all but had to work with Toot's abuse of nomenklature. I am neither Blairite nor communist so in actual fact am nether centre left nor far left, merely left.
We are not all in the same boat. We are in the same storm. Some of us have yachts. Some of us have canoes. Some of us are drowning.

Barry

Quote from: T00ts on September 12, 2022, 02:34:13 PM
Proof of what from where?
Proof I am a centrist having done several political questionnaires in the past.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/test
† The end is nigh †

B0ycey

Right, this poll has been on for less than an hour and the Tories are already rigging it. Who the F@@@ voted Far Left.

srb7677

Quote from: T00ts on September 12, 2022, 01:15:28 PM
I see grumps that there are too many Right wing Conservatives on the Forum. I think there are more Labour/Left. So vote and see what's true!
Your nomenclature is typically loaded and pejorative. I am not centre left which is often code for centrist Blairite types. But I am not far left either because that is a communist/ Leninist type.

But accepting the likelihood that your abuse of the term is designed for the mislabelling of democratic socialists like me, I ticked far left because there were no more accurate options and I am certain that your abuse of the term had people like me in mind. lol

Similar gripes can be made in reverse, the term far right usually being associated with fascism or neo-Nazism.

I think your poll would have been better stripped of such pejorative associations, with the options being 

Right
Centre Right
Centre Left
Left.

If you wanted to include genuine Nazi or communist types, you could then have added far right and far left as fifth and sixth options.
We are not all in the same boat. We are in the same storm. Some of us have yachts. Some of us have canoes. Some of us are drowning.

T00ts


Barry

† The end is nigh †

papasmurf

Quote from: T00ts on September 12, 2022, 01:15:28 PM
I see grumps that there are too many Right wing Conservatives on the Forum. I think there are more Labour/Left. So vote and see what's true!
I long for the day the last politician is strangled with the entrails of the last priest, so there is no category for me to vote in.

However this forum appears to be in the main rabidly far right.
Nemini parco qui vivit in orbe