Would you vote Tory?

[papasmurf]

There is also a very large minority who sit well to the left of Labour.

The five million core Labour voters who left because Blair was Tory Mark 2.

[srb7677]

they forget as do the politicians of a very large minority who sit to the political right of the Tories .

There is also a very large minority who sit well to the left of Labour. These are often airbrushed out of the equation too.

PR would make us impossible to ignore. Which is why the establishment is running scared of it

[B-4]

Get lost Barry, you definitely voted Tories last time given you are a Brexiteer. Unless of course you are in a Labour stronghold constituency in which case it was the Brexit Party. Either way, you are voting Tories next time or not at all. And how do I know this? By reading your posts.

It's odd that you associate one with the other, because the Conservatives clearly wasn't devoted to Brexit, which is why the PM stood down.  My guess is that they expected a Remain victory which would have crushed the UKIP and silenced the back benchers.  I give the Conservatives credit, though, they didn't start crying and demanding a second referendum the next day, unlike the SNP did when they lost Indyref.

Labour could have been for Brexit if it wasn't totally corrupt and full of reactionaries.

[morayloon]

Yeah really. Embarrassment. Although post content means we can work out who sits where. You, Borky, T00ts, Cromwell, HallowedBrexit, Baff, Barry, Sheepy, Streetwalker... Tory voters. And what, one (you) has said you will. The only Non Tories on here are Pappy, Steve and me. And somehow we have four votes.

I am very much an "anyone but the Tories" person. I have voted SNP all my adult life, starting in February 1974 when I voted for Winnie. However, I have strayed from the SNP twice - once to vote for Tommy Sheridan and the other time to support Alba (both in the Regional list). The fact I was lured away from the SNP by Sheridan, who I see as a latter day John Maclean, sort of goes to show where my sympathies lie. He didn't get elected and I haven't voted for a Socialist since but my hope is that an Independent Scotland will become a Socialist Republic.

[johnofgwent]

So some of the people here who wouldn't vote Tory think they are too left wing? The Tories?

Perhaps I should run a poll on how many members would like to vote for Genghis Khan.

Ghenghis Khan is much maligned. 

When he waged war he called his commanders to him and personally explained not just what he was going to do but why.

I doubt Blair was anything like as forthright or honest

[Nick]

Face it, you're just a mirror image of papasmurf.

Anyway, at the moment I've yet to see a Tory MP I reckon could hack it round here...

I'll take that, a mirror image of Gollum 😜. 

[patman post]

Are you telling me that Labour have MP's worse than her? 😳 😂

Face it, you're just a mirror image of papasmurf.

Anyway, at the moment I've yet to see a Tory MP I reckon could hack it round here...

[patman post]

This is an inherent problem with our disenfranchising FPTP system. Millions live in seats such as yours, so safe for one party or another that voting is literally a waste of time. And even where the seat is more marginal, there are often only two possible winners, three at most. So most of us either have no effective choice like you, or at best an artificially limited effective choice.

I want a system where you can vote Tory if you want to, knowing that your vote will count. And where everyone else can vote for whomever they want to, knowing that their votes will count too. A system that enfranchises people in a democratic way, not one which effectively limits democratic choice.

I've not seen an alternative that appeals. Personally, I favour voting for the candidate and not a party who will select an individual I do not know to represent me.

At least I currently get a choice and in the past have voted for a candidate whose politics I disagree with because I disliked the other candidates, but I liked the local work of the candidate I voted for...

[patman post]

Anyone who votes for Diane Abacus clearly doesn't know their area from their elbow.

I am a Conservative supporter. But I have voted for Diane Abbott in the past mainly because she has been a good local constituency MP, and also because none of the likely alternatives appeal — I am stretching the meaning of the phrase "likely alternatives", because she gets more votes than all the other candidates put together.

Currently, she's failing in her local constituency work. However, I don't think she'll stand down before the next election, and even if she did, goodwill towards her and support for Labour would still make it a (hopefully) Labour win...

[srb7677]

Are you telling me that Labour have MP's worse than her? 😳 😂

I meant the alternatives from other parties standing against her in her own seat.

But yes, Labour has many MPs I would never vote for, including most of the shadow front bench.

[Nick]

Well that depends upon how good or bad the alternatives are. And FPTP is a major reason why she keeps being elected. Because she happens to be ensconced in a safe Labour seat. You could pit a red rossette on a fecking mongoose there and you'd end up with a mongoose sitting in parliament. Tories have similarly safe seats. In Southwest Devon you could replace Gary Streeter with a baboon wearing a blue rossette, and you'd just end up with a fecking baboon sitting in parliament

Are you telling me that Labour have MP's worse than her? 😳 😂 

[srb7677]

Anyone who votes for Diane Abacus clearly doesn't know their area from their elbow.

Well that depends upon how good or bad the alternatives are. And FPTP is a major reason why she keeps being elected. Because she happens to be ensconced in a safe Labour seat. You could pit a red rossette on a fecking mongoose there and you'd end up with a mongoose sitting in parliament. Tories have similarly safe seats. In Southwest Devon you could replace Gary Streeter with a baboon wearing a blue rossette, and you'd just end up with a fecking baboon sitting in parliament

[Nick]

I voted yes, but it doesn't matter who I vote for round here. We're currently overwhelmingly Labour, and there's unlikely to be a change even if Diane Abbott is replaced — although she's well past her sell by date for her work in the local community, her popularity from the past lingers on.

Tories usually come second, but that doesn't mean much with with Abbott getting 70% of the vote...

Anyone who votes for Diane Abacus clearly doesn't know their area from their elbow.

[srb7677]

I voted yes, but it doesn't matter who I vote for round here. We're currently overwhelmingly Labour, and there's unlikely to be a change even if Diane Abbott is replaced — although she's well past her sell by date for her work in the local community, her popularity from the past lingers on.

Tories usually come second, but that doesn't mean much with with Abbott getting 70% of the vote...

This is an inherent problem with our disenfranchising FPTP system. Millions live in seats such as yours, so safe for one party or another that voting is literally a waste of time. And even where the seat is more marginal, there are often only two possible winners, three at most. So most of us either have no effective choice like you, or at best an artificially limited effective choice.

I want a system where you can vote Tory if you want to, knowing that your vote will count. And where everyone else can vote for whomever they want to, knowing that their votes will count too. A system that enfranchises people in a democratic way, not one which effectively limits democratic choice. 

[patman post]

I voted yes, but it doesn't matter who I vote for round here. We're currently overwhelmingly Labour, and there's unlikely to be a change even if Diane Abbott is replaced — although she's well past her sell by date for her work in the local community, her popularity from the past lingers on. 

Tories usually come second, but that doesn't mean much with with Abbott getting 70% of the vote...