Populist victory in Italy!

[B-4]

So what?

Fascism can be of the Left or Right — it's a belief in a system of political and population control. Mussolini was, and Meloni is, of the Far Right...

Mussolini was a Socialist and would have put the real far-right into prison for contesting his government. It was a progressivist movement that sought to build a modern Italy, whilst using nationalism and family values because those are the things that people were digging. The fantasy far-right, which is labelled onto anything that isn't trembling to progressivist ideology today, is a label given to people like Joanne Rowling, because of her so-called transphobic views.

[patman post]

So what?

Fascism can be of the Left or Right — it's a belief in a system of political and population control. Mussolini was, and Meloni is, of the Far Right...

[B-4]

I'd say it shows a tendency towards Far Right views...

Far-right has more in line with anarcho-capitalist or the hardline libertarian right (minimal government, open borders and minimal restrictions). 

Mussolini was a socialist politician who formed the National Fascist party because he was expelled from the Socialist party for advocating military intervention in WW1.  Fascism believed war would unite people under their big government banner and was well versed in Socialism (it took elements from it).

I guess it isn't altogether that different to rich international tech corporations sponsoring, supporting and manipulating Social Justice movements today.  Obviously the stage is different.

The fantasy far-right often depicted have no views, or at least none that make it into the mainstream.  It's mostly a bogeyman today told by their illusion driven adversaries with a box full of labels. After all, massive government, huge protectionism and barb wire fences seems to be historically far-left authoritarian.

[patman post]

That proves she's a fascist then.

I'd say it shows a tendency towards Far Right views...

[johnofgwent]

When (if) Italy rids itself of endemic tax fiddling and corruption, will be the time for it to effectively tackle other social problems and sort out its economy...

Just after Major found the mechanism to lie his fucking arse off about the principle of subsidiarity in his Maastricht Treaty, I found myself in France and then in Belgium and finally in Italy, being ripped off 20% of my invoices in "handling fees" to convert French francs, Belgian francs and Italian lira into English pounds in an English bank.

In September 1981 I was offered a leather jacket, a nine carat gold ring with a cultured pearl and an obscene amount of booze beyond the duty free import limit three times over by merchants in San Marino. Each took a cheque written in Sterling and wrote my cheque guarantee card details on the cheques.

I was offered the jacket at about a third the price of similar in the UK, the gold ring a fifth of the price it was valued at on my return, and perhaps least surprising the booze (most of which we had to drink before we went home to the UK, god that was a hardship) a tenth of UK prices.

on my return to the uk some four days later I was surprised to see the cheques had already been presented two days earlier at a bank in Dover.

Clearly the Mafia had well organised mechanisms to get cheques presented for payment in the UK.

[Sheepy]

On the Brightside, I get calls from all over the world saying thanks for giving people such an eye opener, if they really want to thank anyone thank the people by offering them honest politics and direct democracy.

[Borchester]

The basis of fascism is the idea of the Corporate State. And the idea of the Corporate State is that everyone does as they are told, which is pretty much the opinion of most posters here.

[Barry]

Bringing Mussolini into references to Italy's new prime minister doesn't  seem inappropriate.

Although it is claimed that Giorgi Meloni founded Fratelli d'Italia in 2012, it is rooted in a fascist party formed by some Mussolini sympathisers in 1946.

Meloni and the new party use an old slogan used by Mussolini — God, fatherland and family — and has praised Mussolini as the best politician of the last 50 years...

That proves she's a fascist then. 

[patman post]

Maybe they just got bored waiting for trickledown economics to work after 40 years of trying and EU open border policy destroying Italy. Who knows but they finally seemed to have worked out if you want to actually change anything voting for the same people and the same politics will never change a thing.

When (if) Italy rids itself of endemic tax fiddling and corruption, will be the time for it to effectively tackle other social problems and sort out its economy...

[patman post]

I noticed someone had told the left, the EU and the press to mention [Mussolini] in every report. Even GB News copied it.

Bringing Mussolini into references to Italy's new prime minister doesn't  seem inappropriate.

Although it is claimed that Giorgi Meloni founded Fratelli d'Italia in 2012, it is rooted in a fascist party formed by some Mussolini sympathisers in 1946.

Meloni and the new party use an old slogan used by Mussolini — God, fatherland and family — and has praised Mussolini as the best politician of the last 50 years...

[Good old]

How very dare the Italians look for a way out of the madness, don't they know they have never had it so good!

Well if you consider the history of the Italian politics, and in particular it's economy since WW2 they probably would be pushed to say they ever had it better.
Never mind the Italians, not that long ago from here they were forever the poor disorganised  ex colonists , that in financial terms made us look like the bees knees , now it's a case of they might have stalled, but we definitely are as disorganised and slide backwards in financial terms.  If the popular vote over good governance helps them , in the way it has helped us in recent years then their chances are not that good.

[Sheepy]

How very dare the Italians look for a way out of the madness, don't they know they have never had it so good!

[johnofgwent]

Labour makes collective decisions when it comes to policy. Starmer does not want PR but the conference has voted for PR.

None of which changes the fact that when someone wants to ask the party what their intent is on xyz, one does not go to the thousands who expressed an opinion in some way as to what should be done, but instead turns to either the leader of the party in the parliament or devolved madhouse of interest, or, where the said leader has appointed a minister to be responsible for a specific area of government, to that minister.

none of your posts change the fact I stated some time back that this woman has very clear ideas about what being a woman and being a mother means, and the elected leader of his majesty's official opposition cannot make any such statement owing to the spectrum of opinion and hatred at each end of that spectrum toward the other.

[Sheepy]

The problem is political people have sacred cows but when said cow moos annoyingly they suddenly find it a noisy smelly creature that craps everywhere.

Though it applies across the political spectrum.

Maybe they just got bored waiting for trickledown economics to work after 40 years of trying and EU open border policy destroying Italy. Who knows but they finally seemed to have worked out if you want to actually change anything voting for the same people and the same politics will never change a thing.

[cromwell]

For a moment I thought I was at The Guardian:
https://babylonbee.com/news/leftists-announce-they-no-longer-support-strong-independent-women

The problem is political people have sacred cows but when said cow moos annoyingly they suddenly find it a noisy smelly creature that craps everywhere.

Though it applies across the political spectrum.