Populist victory in Italy!

[srb7677]

Actual people who identify with Hitler were Remainers

Oh yes, Hitler was a Remainer naturally. It's a good job Churchill was a Brexiteer in 1940. The Remainers would have invited Hitler in and offered up to him an improved version of the Straight Banana Directive.

[B0ycey]

He fell out with the Socialist party over the war, then took power several years later and crushed the competition.  It's pretty much what every Communist party has done or tried to do since their inception.  Fascism was born from Socialism, from a Socialist intellectual and author from that era - he wasn't a n00b.  My guess is that he was so convicted that he became fundamentalist and saw the current state of Socialism as weak and cowardly after he returned from fighting.

As long as you accept he was a fascist, I am not interested in how you believed he got there. Engels was a businessman, didn't stop him joining the Socialists.

[B-4]

Although this fact never went down well with the usual suspects, I have pointed out before that whilst not every Brexit voter is a racist, most racists were Brexit voters. And the Brexit camp would never have won without the racist vote on side.

Uncomfortable fact that non-racist Brexit voters are extremely unwilling to acknowledge, even though the stats in combination with the narrow margin of victory make this blatantly obvious.

You should get out more.  Actual people who identify with Hitler were Remainers, and believed it would later become a protectionist zone.  Their prediction may end up ringing true with the energy crisis.

[B-4]

Ukip definitely got members because it appealed to those Tory Tunbridge Wells blue rinses and Col Blimps who wanted somewhere more decent to lodge their BNP sympathies.

And it was almost certainly the anti immigrant scaremongering that nudged the Brexit vote over the line — easily substantiated by how many Brexit voters are anti immigrant (and stronger) compared to Remain voters...

Based on what?  I thought the driving factor was for home rule, which relates to just about anything.  The anti-immigration rhetoric was like the far-right rhetoric, a load of made up BS.  The argument was for controlled-immigration based on the needs of the country.  

[B-4]

I really don't know why you are so stubborn here. They are on opposite sides of the political spectrum. It is generally accepted that Mussolini hated the Socialist. Whether he was a member and got kicked out in his youth doesn't change the fact he was a Fascist and a leader of a Fascist Party. If I am guessing, I reckon you confused him with Hitler and now digging in.

He fell out with the Socialist party over the war, then took power several years later and crushed the competition.  It's pretty much what every Communist party has done or tried to do since their inception.  Fascism was born from Socialism, from a Socialist intellectual and author from that era - he wasn't a n00b.  My guess is that he was so convicted that he became fundamentalist and saw the current state of Socialism as weak and cowardly after he returned from fighting.

[srb7677]

Ukip definitely got members because it appealed to those Tory Tunbridge Wells blue rinses and Col Blimps who wanted somewhere more decent to lodge their BNP sympathies.

And it was almost certainly the anti immigrant scaremongering that nudged the Brexit vote over the line — easily substantiated by how many Brexit voters are anti immigrant (and stronger) compared to Remain voters...

Although this fact never went down well with the usual suspects, I have pointed out before that whilst not every Brexit voter is a racist, most racists were Brexit voters. And the Brexit camp would never have won without the racist vote on side.

Uncomfortable fact that non-racist Brexit voters are extremely unwilling to acknowledge, even though the stats in combination with the narrow margin of victory make this blatantly obvious.

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The idealisation of the family unit, islamophobia, strong borders against outsiders and a dislike of immigrants, and a dislike of globalisation are typical themes of the fascist right and taken together form a typical far right trope. They are hardly middle of the road.

The party that won originated as a fascist tribute act and is now trying to do a UKIP and sound more respectable. Time will tell.

Ukip definitely got members because it appealed to those Tory Tunbridge Wells blue rinses and Col Blimps who wanted somewhere more decent to lodge their BNP sympathies.

And it was almost certainly the anti immigrant scaremongering that nudged the Brexit vote over the line — easily substantiated by how many Brexit voters are anti immigrant (and stronger) compared to Remain voters...

[B0ycey]

Which was created by a full-blown Socialist.  Many Socialist parties were supportive of the war when it kicked off, even so far as British socialists supporting the nationalist uprisings and country's intevention in war.  It later became divided amongst them (after a spell of ultra-violence), so forked off and became Fascist and and then National Socialist elsewhere. 

I really don't know why you are so stubborn here. They are on opposite sides of the political spectrum. It is generally accepted that Mussolini hated the Socialist. Whether he was a member and got kicked out in his youth doesn't change the fact he was a Fascist and a leader of a Fascist Party. If I am guessing, I reckon you confused him with Hitler and now digging in.

[B-4]

Do a bit of digging. Like today's Truss, Mussolini was brought up in a socialist household and carried those ideas through into adulthood. His liking for violence while a youth should have warned people what was in store. He joined a worked for Socialist publications and organisations, but wanted to run them. After forming his own Fascist party he went on to attack Communist and Socialist organisations and burn down their offices.

Here's a simplified account to read...

https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/benito-mussolini

It was competition.  You can't have that in a one-party state.

[B-4]

Nuh huh. Mussolini was a Fascist. He is synonymous with the moment. He founded the NFP which stands for the National Fascist Party.

Which was created by a full-blown Socialist.  Many Socialist parties were supportive of the war when it kicked off, even so far as British socialists supporting the nationalist uprisings and country's intevention in war.  It later became divided amongst them (after a spell of ultra-violence), so forked off and became Fascist and and then National Socialist elsewhere.  

[patman post]

He was a Socialist and if the Socialist party he was in wasn't neutral in the war Fascism may never have been spawned.  He built a one party totalitarian state.  He even once considered himself a Communist and praised Marx over all of his good ideas on Socialism.

Do a bit of digging. Like today's Truss, Mussolini was brought up in a socialist household and carried those ideas through into adulthood. His liking for violence while a youth should have warned people what was in store. He joined a worked for Socialist publications and organisations, but wanted to run them. After forming his own Fascist party he went on to attack Communist and Socialist organisations and burn down their offices.

Here's a simplified account to read...

https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/benito-mussolini

[srb7677]

promoting the Family unit  ,the rejection of Islamic violence ,secure borders and no to mass immigration. The rejection of globilisation

The idealisation of the family unit, islamophobia, strong borders against outsiders and a dislike of immigrants, and a dislike of globalisation are typical themes of the fascist right and taken together form a typical far right trope. They are hardly middle of the road.

The party that won originated as a fascist tribute act and is now trying to do a UKIP and sound more respectable. Time will tell.

[B0ycey]

He was a Socialist and if the Socialist party he was in wasn't neutral in the war Fascism may never have been spawned.  He built a one party totalitarian state.  He even once considered himself a Communist and praised Marx over all of his good ideas on Socialism.

Nuh huh. Mussolini was a Fascist. He is synonymous with the moment. He founded the NFP which stands for the National Fascist Party.

[B-4]

Mussolini was a fascist, he hated the Socialists.

He was a Socialist and if the Socialist party he was in wasn't neutral in the war Fascism may never have been spawned.  He built a one party totalitarian state.  He even once considered himself a Communist and praised Marx over all of his good ideas on Socialism.

[B0ycey]

Mussolini was a Socialist and would have put the real far-right into prison for contesting his government. It was a progressivivist movement that sought to build a modern Italy, whilst using nationalism and family values because those are the things that people were digging. The fantasy far-right, which is labelled onto anything that isn't trembling to progressivist ideology today, is a label given to people like Joanne Rowling, because of her so-called transphobic views.

Mussolini was a fascist, he hated the Socialists.