Weapons firms install 50 staff inside the Ministry of Defence

[papasmurf]

No where in your link does it say 'There was no tendering process', you've just interpreted something to fit your agenda. What it said was...
"Almost all of this money was spent through contracts that were awarded without competitive tender." That is totally different and this American website you have linked has not provided and proof of where it got this information.

And BAE systems has been the Government's go to provider for decades, not just during the Tory rule.

As this has resulted in a court case, they will have proof "Almost all of this money was spent through contracts that were awarded without competitive tender."
I await the results with interest. 

[Nick]

There was no tendering process, read the link I posted. Nick you are defending the indefensible. £billions have been wasted by defence contractors; it is now obvious why.  No tendering and no due diligence before of afterwards.

No where in your link does it say 'There was no tendering process', you've just interpreted something to fit your agenda. What it said was...
"Almost all of this money was spent through contracts that were awarded without competitive tender." That is totally different and this American website you have linked has not provided and proof of where it got this information.

And BAE systems has been the Government's go to provider for decades, not just during the Tory rule. 

[papasmurf]

How can you implement an NDA when the contractor is potentially the owner of the IP? I to do work for various government Dept's occasionally and am cleared to DV level, who's to say this contractor Pappy is so worked up about didn't tender and has provided workers with specialist knowledge anyway?

There was no tendering process, read the link I posted. Nick you are defending the indefensible. £billions have been wasted by defence contractors; it is now obvious why.  No tendering and no due diligence before of afterwards.

[Nick]

Non disclosure agreements and proper application of espionage laws.

we used to have multiple contractors in the defence sector, but then again we used to have a cartel and awarded contracts with a guaranteed cost plus profit margin according to "Buggins turn"

How can you implement an NDA when the contractor is potentially the owner of the IP? I to do work for various government Dept's occasionally and am cleared to DV level, who's to say this contractor Pappy is so worked up about didn't tender and has provided workers with specialist knowledge anyway?

[papasmurf]

Non disclosure agreements and proper application of espionage laws.

we used to have multiple contractors in the defence sector, but then again we used to have a cartel and awarded contracts with a guaranteed cost plus profit margin according to "Buggins turn"

There still are more than enough contractors to put contracts out to tender and use due diligence.  Employees embedded at the MOD is scandalous.

[johnofgwent]

How can another contractor bid without the government giving away secure IP?
As SW says, national security is more important.

Non disclosure agreements and proper application of espionage laws.

we used to have multiple contractors in the defence sector, but then again we used to have a cartel and awarded contracts with a guaranteed cost plus profit margin according to "Buggins turn"

[papasmurf]

Don't worry, the Good Law Project will take them to court and they can lose another case and more crowdfunded cash.

Lose another case? You don't follow the Good Law Project very closely.

[Barry]

It isn't just my opinion.  Awarding government contracts without tendering or due diligence is corruption and in this instance conflict of interest. (There are cases pending about the awarding of PPE contracts for the same reasons.)

Don't worry, the Good Law Project will take them to court and they can lose another case and more crowdfunded cash.

[papasmurf]

In your opinion, something you just don't get.

It isn't just my opinion.  Awarding government contracts without tendering or due diligence is corruption and in this instance conflict of interest. (There are cases pending about the awarding of PPE contracts for the same reasons.)

[patman post]

This is scandalous. More at link:-

https://tinyurl.com/c62fvesr

27 September 2022, 4.00am
More than 50 paid employees of global arms companies are working inside the UK's Ministry of Defence, openDemocracy can reveal, sparking questions about conflicts of interest and national security.
They include nine staffers on long-term secondment from the UK's biggest weapons manufacturer, BAE Systems, some of whom have been embedded inside the department for years.
Last year, the company made more than £4.1bn in sales from the MoD, boasting about its "strong and long-standing relationships" with the UK government. Almost all of this money was spent through contracts that were awarded without competitive tender.

Where military security is concerned, competitive tendering is not necessarily advantageous or required.

What is questionable is contractors' employees on secondment working inside contract-defining and contract-placing MOD establishments, UNLESS it is on the development of new advanced equipment or systems...

[Nick]

Rubbish there are loads of security cleared defence contractors. What is being described in the thread opener is corruption.

In your opinion, something you just don't get. 

[patman post]

Rubbish there are loads of security cleared defence contractors. What is being described in the thread opener is corruption.

True.
For most defence contracts, bidders will have had to have obtained prior clearance — and that's not permanent...

[papasmurf]

How can another contractor bid without the government giving away secure IP?
As SW says, national security is more important.

Rubbish there are loads of security cleared defence contractors. What is being described in the thread opener is corruption.

[Nick]

Awarding government contracts with no bidding process and no due diligence is corruption.

How can another contractor bid without the government giving away secure IP?
As SW says, national security is more important. 

[johnofgwent]

Well we've spent a fortune on Ajax with the yanks and that's worked well.......not
https://www.ft.com/content/7e829f74-7772-4685-83f4-c7808b8175a1

Ah well, what do you expect, I'm the only member of my old team now working there who actually holds a full licence to drive one, and the batteries are currently more explosive that the ordnance. I shit you not, I was up there at the factory last year and they had massive new outdoor explosive storage containers, I remarked on their being there as part of the upcoming acceptance tests and was told no, those are not going ahead now, those are to store the vehicle's various batteries which are rated as susceptible to violent spontaneous disassembly