Nurses may be revolting.

[papasmurf]

By doing lots of overtime, albeit still fewer hours than a nurse, I can earn more than a nurse's starting salary just by scanning baked beans or pushing trolleys around a car park for a few hours. And I don't need to have spent years in higher education racking up student debt to be able to do it. When even I am doing better than a nurse starting out, something is very wrong with nurses' starting pay.

That is the heart of the matter, some pretty mundane, unskilled/semi-skilled jobs now pay more than nurses get and without the stress and aggro. 

[srb7677]

Plus, the whole scene has been exacerbated for two years or more by staff shortages through sickness and nursing staff leaving at a faster rate than new nurses are arriving...

This fact alone screams out that they need to be paid more. Otherwise with the skills they have large numbers will keep leaving to find better paid, less stressful jobs.

It is certainly worth bearing in mind that for most of the last 12 years they have either received no pay rise at all or a pitiful one well below the rate of inflation. In practice this amounts to a swingeing real terms pay cut.

How many of us would do their job with all its' stress and long hours for their pay? I wouldn't.

By doing lots of overtime, albeit still fewer hours than a nurse, I can earn more than a nurse's starting salary just by scanning baked beans or pushing trolleys around a car park for a few hours. And I don't need to have spent years in higher education racking up student debt to be able to do it. When even I am doing better than a nurse starting out, something is very wrong with nurses' starting pay.

[papasmurf]

That is a big big assumption given she has lived there for 10 years and there is a huge housing crisis in Cornwall. Given the situation it would be a better assumption that the landlord has sold their house to someone who wants a holiday home.

There is a huge housing crisis in Cornwall due to the proliferation of AirBnB, holiday lets, and second homes. 

[srb7677]

What, other than erecting Nightingale Homes, could be done right now...?

Until the local housing crisis has been solved we could legislate to prevent local housing being sold to non-locals. We could cap private rents. We could legislate to restrict the ability of landlords to convert their properties into holiday lets. We could immediately cease right to buy until such time as the housing crisis has been solved. And until more social housing becomes available we could introduce automatic rent subsidy payments for all key workers. 

[B0ycey]

This screams out a crying need for much more social housing.

Certainly in Cornwall.

[B0ycey]

Reading between the lines, she got evicted because she refused to keep to the conditions of her tenancy - no dogs.

That is a big big assumption given she has lived there for 10 years and there is a huge housing crisis in Cornwall. Given the situation it would be a better assumption that the landlord has sold their house to someone who wants a holiday home.

[cromwell]

As Steve says we need more social housing which would help out those on lower incomes . The main gripe it seems (papa) is that nurses can't afford accomadation on their salaries which may well be true especially now there is a chunk of interest to pay but that effects everyone not just those working in the NHS .

Besides what happened to the Key worker housing programmes ?  I recall though didn't take a lot of notice at the time various housing associations providing affordable housing for NHS staff .
But at some point either house prices will have to come down or wages will have to go up ,the gap can't keep widening

It's clear that the social housing sector is failing and also if house prices fall and result in many repossessions that doesn't always result in that going to first time buyers but private sector often not unconnected to figures in politics.

I fear that with so many things those in power look to the American sector and see success instead of utter failure not just in this sector of social housing but with health thecare industry and more.

[Streetwalker]

To a point....yes.

As Steve says we need more social housing which would help out those on lower incomes . The main gripe it seems (papa) is that nurses cant afford accomadation on their salaries which may well be true especially now there is a chunk of interest to pay but that effects everyone not just those working in the NHS .

Besides what happened to the Key worker housing programmes ?  I recall though didn't take a lot of notice at the time various housing associations providing affordable housing for NHS staff .
But at some point either house prices will have to come down or wages will have to go up ,the gap cant keep widening 

[cromwell]

Thats a housing crisis that effects everyone not just nurses . Are you saying they should be given special treatment ?

To a point....yes.

[patman post]

This screams out a crying need for much more social housing.

Totally agree. And it should have been started years ago — as should work on making the NHS less of a political football.

But it all takes time. What, other than erecting Nightingale Homes, could be done right now...?

[srb7677]

It is propaganda to state £30000 when the starting pay is rubbish and it takes a lot of annual increments to get to £30000.
Plus even £30000 is too low for where I live, due to the cost of housing.

Just a sample there are numerous others:-


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-59409301


Camborne NHS nurse 'may have to leave job' over housing crisis

• Published
  25 November 2021

An NHS hospital theatre nurse who cannot find accommodation says she may have to leave her job "due to the housing crisis".

Lesley Weeks, 39, is being evicted from her home of 10 years in Camborne, Cornwall, on 1 December.
She was given an eviction notice in August but says she has not been able to find anywhere suitable for her and her two teenage children and dog.
She said "I may have to leave my job and the county that I love".
It was "due to the housing crisis, because I cannot physically find anywhere at this precise moment, and I have six days until my eviction is up", she said.
Ms Weeks, who has been looking for alternatives for four months, said: "There was a three bedroom ex-council property a few months ago - £1,200 [per month] in Redruth.
"Who can afford that these days? I know I can't, not on my salary."
She has worked as a theatre nurse at the Royal Cornwall Hospital in Truro for seven years.

This screams out a crying need for much more social housing.

[Barry]

It is propaganda to state £30000 when the starting pay is rubbish and it takes a lot of annual increments to get to £30000.
Plus even £30000 is too low for where I live, due to the cost of housing.

Just a sample there are numerous others:-


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-59409301


Camborne NHS nurse 'may have to leave job' over housing crisis

• Published
  25 November 2021

An NHS hospital theatre nurse who cannot find accommodation says she may have to leave her job "due to the housing crisis".

Lesley Weeks, 39, is being evicted from her home of 10 years in Camborne, Cornwall, on 1 December.
She was given an eviction notice in August but says she has not been able to find anywhere suitable for her and her two teenage children and dog.
She said "I may have to leave my job and the county that I love".
It was "due to the housing crisis, because I cannot physically find anywhere at this precise moment, and I have six days until my eviction is up", she said.
Ms Weeks, who has been looking for alternatives for four months, said: "There was a three bedroom ex-council property a few months ago - £1,200 [per month] in Redruth.
"Who can afford that these days? I know I can't, not on my salary."
She has worked as a theatre nurse at the Royal Cornwall Hospital in Truro for seven years.

Reading between the lines, she got evicted because she refused to keep to the conditions of her tenancy - no dogs.

What does this have to do with nurses pay, or is this your form of propaganda?

[Streetwalker]

It is propaganda to state £30000 when the starting pay is rubbish and it takes a lot of annual increments to get to £30000.
Plus even £30000 is too low for where I live, due to the cost of housing.

Just a sample there are numerous others:-


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-59409301


Camborne NHS nurse 'may have to leave job' over housing crisis

• Published
  25 November 2021

An NHS hospital theatre nurse who cannot find accommodation says she may have to leave her job "due to the housing crisis".

Lesley Weeks, 39, is being evicted from her home of 10 years in Camborne, Cornwall, on 1 December.
She was given an eviction notice in August but says she has not been able to find anywhere suitable for her and her two teenage children and dog.
She said "I may have to leave my job and the county that I love".
It was "due to the housing crisis, because I cannot physically find anywhere at this precise moment, and I have six days until my eviction is up", she said.
Ms Weeks, who has been looking for alternatives for four months, said: "There was a three bedroom ex-council property a few months ago - £1,200 [per month] in Redruth.
"Who can afford that these days? I know I can't, not on my salary."
She has worked as a theatre nurse at the Royal Cornwall Hospital in Truro for seven years.

Thats a housing crisis that effects everyone not just nurses . Are you saying they should be given special treatment ?

[patman post]

No it is not, that is Tory propaganda. That is the high end NOT the generality.

"The average wage of a UK Nurse is somewhere around £33,000 to £35,000 a year" — though it starts at just over £20,000.
https://www.nurses.co.uk/careers-hub/nursing-pay-guide/

My Mum approaching 60, gets more than that, but she specialises and has been nursing for years. She tells me she has been asked to consider delaying her retirement.

The current problem is caused by burnout from having to work exceptionally long hours over the past three years because of the pandemic, coupled with the emotional stress of continuous severe illness and coping with the high number of deaths. I've seen the effects on my mother.

Plus, the whole scene has been exacerbated for two years or more by staff shortages through sickness and nursing staff leaving at a faster rate than new nurses are arriving...

[Sheepy]

They have got to be joking . Nurses  pay is about £30K  a year +. Most people would be doing cartwheels  for that . they need to get back to work and be thankful they have secure jobs

Nurses these days are trained at degree level and beyond with it constantly changing.