Hunt for PM…?

[patman post]

Hunt says mistakes were made...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63268238

So he is admitting he is working for a clown. The funny thing is this seems to be a reoccurring theme. Johnson blamed May, Truss blamed Johnson and now Hunt blames Truss. I wonder if the Tories will understand they have been in power for the past 12 years?

As the BBC so fittingly puts it: Whether it's intentional or not, the message isn't that subtle: after the craziness of the last few weeks here comes an experienced grown-up to take control.

Only an elderly Tory Party member, steeped in Brexit and Boris, could believe staying with Truss and her fairytale economics was a sensible way forward.

The UK will most likely recover in time — but how long that time is depends on how soon Truss gets swept into the dustbin of history...

[patman post]

Indeed it has and of course not all mp's are corrupt but far too many are or live in a world that bears no likeness to ours.

One corrupt MP is too many. So too is one corrupt Police officer, or councillor, or local authority planning official.

But to tar a whole institution with the misdemeanours (or, OK, crimes) of a few, is beyond being unrealistic. It's Alf Garnet ranting into empty space...

[cromwell]

I don't totally agree with the implication of your first statement — if you mean MPs are more corrupt than the rest of society/us.

Business has people who fiddle allowances and expenses. Local authorities have both elected and appointed personnel who do the same. It's not unknown for employees and benefit recipients to work the system.

Then there are those who bend the rules for political objectives or, like some Police officers for "fun"...

What?

Indeed it has and of course not all mp's are corrupt but far too many are or live in a world that bears no likeness to ours.

Quite accurate imo.

[B0ycey]

Hunt says mistakes were made...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63268238

So he is admitting he is working for a clown. The funny thing is this seems to be a reoccurring theme. Johnson blamed May, Truss blamed Johnson and now Hunt blames Truss. I wonder if the Tories will understand they have been in power for the past 12 years?

[patman post]

Indeed it has and of course not all mp's are corrupt but far too many are or live in a world that bears no likeness to ours.

In many ways the sheep is not wrong unfortunately he never spells out the alternative.

How we ever get round to the radical reform without losing any resemblance to a democracy is another hill to climb but it needs to be done.

I don't totally agree with the implication of your first statement — if you mean MPs are more corrupt than the rest of society/us. 

Business has people who fiddle allowances and expenses. Local authorities have both elected and appointed personnel who do the same. It's not unknown for employees and benefit recipients to work the system.

Then there are those who bend the rules for political objectives or, like some Police officers for "fun"...

[cromwell]

I have seen you post many times that short termism has been the downfall of this country for decades and you are right.

Indeed it has and of course not all mp's are corrupt but far too many are or live in a world that bears no likeness to ours.

In many ways the sheep is not wrong unfortunately he never spells out the alternative.

How we ever get round to the radical reform without losing any resemblance to a democracy is another hill to climb but it needs to be done.

[patman post]

Returning to the thread title Hunt for PM? Not with my vote!

That's what's happening: A Hunt for a PM.

There's only one who'd be likely to get Tory MPs to rally behind them, unopposed, and that is Hunt.

Together with Sunak, who understands the money markets and what influences them, he has a chance of getting he Tories back on track — or at least losing a general election gracefully and not by a wipeout!

Starmer is sounding like respectable Labour — and not like a rabid Corbyn-like Socialist West hater. He seems to be in tune with "Middle Britain", ie, acceptable to a majority of voters, especially those who lent their votes to the Tories after Labour had ignored them for decades.

I distrust Socialism — it can turn too quickly to fascism wherever it gets into power — but Starmer's Labour Party seems to be returning to that of Attlee, Wilson, Callaghan.

I'd prefer Hunt or Sunak as PM, but Starmer doesn't seem as frightening as carrying on with Truss or a return of Johnson...

[patman post]

And I guess you still believe the government has any control over what is left of any sign of an economy.

I do. And the mini-budget proves me correct.

Just because the then administration didn't understand the controls and influence they had over the UK economy, and tanked the pound, doesn't mean a more savvy PM and chancellor wouldn't do better...

[B0ycey]

Returning to the thread title Hunt for PM? Not with my vote!

You misandrist you. I think if Hunt becomes PM we all should get behind him and support his huntish ways.... NOT!!!!

[T00ts]

Returning to the thread title Hunt for PM? Not with my vote! 

[T00ts]

And that's what I'm saying stop the corruption and slim down Westminster, but you still seriously cannot lay the blame on labour,sure I've no time for Starmer but he's not at the controls they haven't been for over a decade.

Are you falling into the trap of instant gratification? It's 20 years since Brown with Blair's collusion, put the boot into both gold reserves and pensions. We have lived with the timebomb ever since. Things like this take time to evolve and like banks selling credit with little or no promise of repayment, is under the radar as far as day to day government is concerned. Most Labour MPs are as thick as Conservatives MPs when it comes to long term money. 

I have seen you post many times that short termism has been the downfall of this country for decades and you are right.

[B0ycey]

And that's what I'm saying stop the corruption and slim down Westminster, but you still seriously cannot lay the blame on labour,sure I've no time for Starmer but he's not at the controls they haven't been for over a decade.

Indeed Cromwell. The reason for the 2008 crash was due to deregulation and Thatchers Big Bang. The crash was 23 years in the making. Major didn't change course and neither did Labour. The blame for the crash was handed to Labour. Why? Because they were in power at the time. If the Tories are aware of a timebomb, they have had 12 years to sort their shit out. If it goes off and they are in power the blame will rightly be given to them. Why? Because they were in power at the time.

[cromwell]

LOL Good try cromwell! Do you in all honesty look back at the Labour benches over that same period of time and see the nation's saviour? Shall I remind you? Brown, Milliband, Harman for a few mins, Corbyn and now Starmer. Up to now all unelectable. This is a failure of all, politicians, regulators, pension fund managers who have panicked in the last week or so as the chickens came home to roost. The BofE had to step in because they have increased pension risk beyond the pale.

We voted for Brexit. Even now there are too many people in power not just in Westminster, who are holding the country back because by making Brexit fail they get what they want. They don't care about the country just their loss of face.

We are beyond Conservative/Labour now. We need grown ups and we need some real sense. Above all we need some real honesty.

And that's what I'm saying stop the corruption and slim down Westminster, but you still seriously cannot lay the blame on labour,sure I've no time for Starmer but he's not at the controls they haven't been for over a decade.

[Borchester]

At the moment it's whether the Tories lose the next election by 20 or 200 hundred seats. Hunt could achieve the lower loss, and might even get a hung Parliament or small victory.

If Starmer keeps on as is and gets in, I'm fairly relaxed — the whole world is in such a state at the moment that the UK just needs a steady hand on the tiller to ride out the storm. Hopefully, by then a real Conservative leader (could be Hunt?) will emerge to re-establish the party along traditional lines that benefit the country...

Hunt is just another Lib Dem. Why he is still in the Tory party I do not know, but to me a vote for him is just another vote for Brussels and more national humiliation. I can't see any way out for the Tories. So unless Sir Stodge makes a mega cock up in the next two years, he might as well send Lady Vick round to Number 10 to measure up for the new curtains

[B0ycey]

LOL Good try cromwell! Do you in all honesty look back at the Labour benches over that same period of time and see the nation's saviour? Shall I remind you? Brown, Milliband, Harman for a few mins, Corbyn and now Starmer. Up to now all unelectable. This is a failure of all, politicians, regulators, pension fund managers who have panicked in the last week or so as the chickens came home to roost. The BofE had to step in because they have increased pension risk beyond the pale.

We voted for Brexit. Even now there are too many people in power not just in Westminster, who are holding the country back because by making Brexit fail they get what they want. They don't care about the country just their loss of face.

We are beyond Conservative/Labour now. We need grown ups and we need some real sense. Above all we need some real honesty.

Corbyn could have been a saviour T00ts. The best manifesto in years. The dogma it was unaffordable was expelled when we paid out billions for people to sit on their ass. 

Did you know if Cprbyn renationalised energy, the clusterfuck we have now wouldn't have been a clusterfuck at all?