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[Streetwalker]

There used to be government training schools for construction trade. Now effectively there are not.

Yes that (YTS) came in when we went self employed .
It was a pretty crap scheme with the young people on them having to punt around for people to work with . Stopping people under 18 working on site more or less finnished it off ,apprentices became improovers and Ive never met one yet that dosent need to improve 

[papasmurf]

People wont train to work in construction 

There used to be government training schools for construction trade. Now effectively there are not.

[Streetwalker]

If you've only worked three full weeks during the last ten years, my thoughts are that you need to look at yourself, your profession/skill/trade and where you look for work.

Im winding down now Posty a 3 day week suits me fine ,thanks for your concerns though .  Unfortunately there is not much you can do about the weather or managments failure to run a job without holdups nor their working practices that have crept in over the years 

I'm not involved with the construction industry, but it seems, like many other industries (some of which I am involved with), it has a shortage of skilled workers — judging by the adverts I see when scanning HR and personnel trade publications...

People wont train to work in construction while they are treated with little consideration. Standards started to decline with self employment in the 80's and fell further with  EU workers who were happy /used to working that way and it caught on here . 

[patman post]

You are  joking Posty , Im willing and able and have done I would say off the top of my head erm lets see ,  about 3 full weeks in the last ten years . They are that rare I make a point of buying the barmaid half a lager shandy to celebrate . There is always something that throws a spanner in the works be it the weather , plant breaking down  or other trades not keeping up to speed .
What do you expect the main contractor to do if there is no work , pay me ? Again , your joking Posty . Agencies charge contractors top dollar to supply labour and pay rubbish rates  . The contractor in turn will try grabbing back all they can in stoppages . In my game they are the employers of last resort . Not that they are really employers ,just middle men  that reduces the wages of the working man , I would ban then as well ,forcing contractors to employ workers direct .

If you've only worked three full weeks during the last ten years, my thoughts are that you need to look at yourself, your profession/skill/trade and where you look for work.

I'm not involved with the construction industry, but it seems, like many other industries (some of which I am involved with), it has a shortage of skilled workers — judging by the adverts I see when scanning HR and personnel trade publications...

[Streetwalker]

These days, it is unusual for anyone to be booked for a day or week and turn up only to be sent away because there is no work.

You are  joking Posty , Im willing and able and have done I would say off the top of my head erm lets see ,  about 3 full weeks in the last ten years . They are that rare I make a point of buying the barmaid half a lager shandy to celebrate . There is always something that throws a spanner in the works be it the weather , plant breaking down  or other trades not keeping up to speed .
What do you expect the main contractor to do if there is no work , pay me ? 

If that happens to you, go through an agency, change agency, or look for another employer...

Again , your joking Posty . Agencies charge contractors top dollar to supply labour and pay rubbish rates  . The contractor in turn will try grabbing back all they can in stoppages . In my game they are the employers of last resort . Not that they are really employers ,just middle men  that reduces the wages of the working man , I would ban then as well ,forcing contractors to employ workers direct .

[Baff]

Isn't it easier and lessen the risk of confusion to use the officially accepted — and readily understood — term rather than try to popularise the language?

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/zero-hours-contracts-guidance-for-employers/zero-hours-contracts-guidance-for-employers

Using such terms as casual labour, cash-in-hand, one-year-appointment, etc, don't necessarily mean the same as zero-hours contract, which has specific rules and provisions...

Exactly, why use everyday language that everyone understands when you can obfuscate with some big scary sounding words.
At best he sounds like a stuck up out of touch, idiot. At worst a con man.

Using such terms as bullshit and nancy boy? We all understand them. 

"Official". LOL.
Wasn't really cut out for office, that one.

[Nick]

There's nothing specialist about an Irish Pub apart from it's guaranteed well kept and poured Guinness and/or Murphy's and, usually, good service.

That's something lacking in many bigger busy English pubs run by Pubcos, and even some supposedly Irish-themed pubs around British towns and cities. Typical shortcoming will be staff, if there's enough of them:

• chatting away to each other at one end of the bar,
• unable to correctly pour, pull, and serve different beers,
• not knowing how to move behind serving colleagues without impeding them,
• leaving tables and bar counters uncleared and dirty and wet,
• not knowing who's next to be served,
• unable to count money offered, and count out change,
• leaving restocking bar shelves until there's none to fulfil an order,
• unable to prioritise tasks to put customers first

But I guess we're just used to British service, delivered by couldn't care less staff who are just there to make the numbers up...

I'm not saying the level of service isn't rank, I'm saying it's a generation thing and bar staff 25 years ago got shown how to operate the till, pour a pint and then got a couple of nights to show their worth or they were out the door. Nowadays they're talking, in their phones and generally not up to scratch. Walked into our local Peaky Blinders pub last week and my wife clocked the 2 girls gabbing and 5 dirty tables with empty glasses on them. She was a chef and general manager of Italian restaurants in the past and would have torn them a new one if that had been her restaurant. 

[patman post]

Have you ever turned up for work only to be told (A) there is no work for you today ,  sent home (B) after a couple of hours when you were expecting a full shift , left waiting for the phone to ring all day in the hope of a days work tommorow only for A or B to come into play when you get there ?

There's a lot wrong with zero hours contracts .

These days, it is unusual for anyone to be booked for a day or week and turn up only to be sent away because there is no work.

If that happens to you, go through an agency, change agency, or look for another employer...

[patman post]

An Irish bar is a specialist environment to a certain extent, your average boozer isn't that intense and as a rule carries with it very little training, never has.

There's nothing specialist about an Irish Pub apart from it's guaranteed well kept and poured Guinness and/or Murphy's and, usually, good service.

That's something lacking in many bigger busy English pubs run by Pubcos, and even some supposedly Irish-themed pubs around British towns and cities. Typical shortcoming will be staff, if there's enough of them:

• chatting away to each other at one end of the bar,
• unable to correctly pour, pull, and serve different beers,
• not knowing how to move behind serving colleagues without impeding them,
• leaving tables and bar counters uncleared and dirty and wet,
• not knowing who's next to be served,
• unable to count money offered, and count out change,
• leaving restocking bar shelves until there's none to fulfil an order,
• unable to prioritise tasks to put customers first

But I guess we're just used to British service, delivered by couldn't care less staff who are just there to make the numbers up...

[Borchester]

Have you ever turned up for work only to be told (A) there is no work for you today ,  sent home (B) after a couple of hours when you were expecting a full shift , left waiting for the phone to ring all day in the hope of a days work tommorow only for A or B to come into play when you get there ?

There's a lot wrong with zero hours contracts .

Yes

I have also waited a week for the promised visit from a sparks only to discovered that he was playing golf in France. And seen a two month job take eight because they were always doing something else. All subies love Spain, which is why their favourite word is manana.

Still, there is no reason for you to suffer suffer any longer SW. Come your next job demand to go on PAYE. And if the boss refuses, pop along to HMRC at

1 Ruskin Square, Croydon CR0 2WF

[Nick]

There's a lot wrong with zero hours contracts

Indeed, but it still suits some people. It's like taking fish off the menu cause some people don't like fish!!

[Streetwalker]

There's nothing wrong with zero hours contracts.

Have you ever turned up for work only to be told (A) there is no work for you today ,  sent home (B) after a couple of hours when you were expecting a full shift , left waiting for the phone to ring all day in the hope of a days work tommorow only for A or B to come into play when you get there ?

There's a lot wrong with zero hours contracts . 

[Nick]

In your extensive world travels, have you not noticed the difference in the efficiency of service in large pubs in Ireland and many in London?

https://irelandtt.com/training/working-in-licensed-premises-bar-staff-online-learning

I did a stint in an Irish pub in Paris, but before even being allowed to do a shift I was instructed how to move behind the bar so I didn't impede other staff, how to pour Guinness, "pression", and pump beers, change casks, keep the bar and customer areas clean and clear, and — importantly — note and make eye-contact with customers waiting for service so I didn't have to ask "who's next?".

I guess the prevalence of poor customer service in pubs and bars, and bigger retail establishments the UK is due to the fact we're just getting used to it...

An Irish bar is a specialist environment to a certain extent, your average boozer isn't that intense and as a rule carries with it very little training, never has. 

[patman post]

Yes, Zero Hours Contract is Ed Miliband speak for "casual labour".


Why use common language to woo the working class when you can talk like a palace flunky instead.

Isn't it easier and lessen the risk of confusion to use the officially accepted — and readily understood — term rather than try to popularise the language?

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/zero-hours-contracts-guidance-for-employers/zero-hours-contracts-guidance-for-employers

Using such terms as casual labour, cash-in-hand, one-year-appointment, etc, don't necessarily mean the same as zero-hours contract, which has specific rules and provisions...

[cromwell]

ZHC is a term the lefties use to try and beat the Tories with, the reality is they've been around since the early 1970's. The Tories did however bring legislation in in 2016 to protect the worker but that doesn't matter does it.

Hasn't done much for this bloke.