Nurses to strike

[srb7677]

Or maybe sack a few of them.

The NHS is the largest employer in Europe and is still demanding more staff, which is a bit sus. I can understand it when it is SW lying in his bed of pain and suffering from the Chinese Pox. At a time like that you need a Barbara Windsor lookalike to let you know that there is a reason for living. But the rest of the time all a nurse does is to help you to the loo and hand out drugs. Well, I have a bucket under the bed and I don't need to have someone hand me drugs twice a day because I already have the two month supply that I picked up from the local pharmacy.

The point about the NHS is that it is ridden with well meaning incompetence and what it really needs is a massive injection of P45s

It has been a long time since I last saw a post of such stupendous ignorance and stupidity, utterly clueless about the jobs nurses do.

[srb7677]

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/time-think-differently/trends-workforce-overview

According to the above, the NHS employs 1.4 millions directly with another 1.6 millions as care workers.

That makes 3 millions or a labour force greater than the US and Indian military combined and still Steve is demanding more..

It is not me demanding more. The NHS has over 100,000 unfilled hospital nursing vacancies. These vacancies are not there at my request, .

What has been happening is that nursing and caring roles outside hospitals have been expanding in response largely to GP shortages and ever growing numbers of the elderly. Outside of hospital nursing roles are more attractive because often less high pressured. Most of the unfilled vacancies are in hospitals where staffing shortages are felt more acutely, where nurses are having to work 12 hour shifts all too often, and where wards are undermanned. In this area they are struggling to recruit because pay is crap and getting ever more so year on year for what is expected of them.

These days, most nurses are highly qualified workers with medical degrees, and skills and knowledge that can be readily transferred to better paid, less demanding jobs elsewhere. They are increasingly voting with their feet and this will continue and intensify as the pay gets ever worse year on year

[papasmurf]

Or maybe sack a few of them.

The NHS is the largest employer in Europe and is still demanding more staff, which is a bit sus. I can understand it when it is SW lying in his bed of pain and suffering from the Chinese Pox. At a time like that you need a Barbara Windsor lookalike to let you know that there is a reason for living. But the rest of the time all a nurse does is to help you to the loo and hand out drugs. Well, I have a bucket under the bed and I don't need to have someone hand me drugs twice a day because I already have the two month supply that I picked up from the local pharmacy.

The point about the NHS is that it is ridden with well meaning incompetence and what it really needs is a massive injection of P45s

Borchester it really is a waste of time trying to even attempt to debate with you when you make such ignorant, ill-informed comments.

[Borchester]

Yes  to become agency nurses who earn 30% than those directly employed by the NHS. You would think the government could meet them half way and give them 15%Dont think the strike is across the NHS but for nurses  specifically who number about 700,000 . Nurses need a pay rise  the doctors ,admin ect  get paid enough . (too much in some cases )

Or maybe sack a few of them.

The NHS is the largest employer in Europe and is still demanding more staff, which is a bit sus. I can understand it when it is SW lying in his bed of pain and suffering from the Chinese Pox. At a time like that you need a Barbara Windsor lookalike to let you know that there is a reason for living. But the rest of the time all a nurse does is to help you to the loo and hand out drugs. Well, I have a bucket under the bed and I don't need to have someone hand me drugs twice a day because I already have the two month supply that I picked up from the local pharmacy.

The point about the NHS is that it is ridden with well meaning incompetence and what it really needs is a massive injection of P45s

[Streetwalker]

Nurse numbers in GPa surgeries and suchlike have increased to take some of the load off doctors, but many others are agency nurses. NHS hospitals have over 100.000 unfilled vacancies, and nurses are leaving all the time.

Yes  to become agency nurses who earn 30% than those directly employed by the NHS. You would think the government could meet them half way and give them 15%

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/time-think-differently/trends-workforce-overview

According to the above, the NHS employs 1.4 millions directly with another 1.6 millions as care workers.

That makes 3 millions or a labour force greater than the US and Indian military combined and still Steve is demanding more..

Dont think the strike is across the NHS but for nurses  specifically who number about 700,000 . Nurses need a pay rise  the doctors ,admin ect  get paid enough . (too much in some cases ) 

[Borchester]

Nurse numbers in GPa surgeries and suchlike have increased to take some of the load off doctors, but many others are agency nurses. NHS hospitals have over 100.000 unfilled vacancies, and nurses are leaving all the time.

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/time-think-differently/trends-workforce-overview

According to the above, the NHS employs 1.4 millions directly with another 1.6 millions as care workers.

That makes 3 millions or a labour force greater than the US and Indian military combined and still Steve is demanding more..

[srb7677]

Excuse my ignorance but doesn't a graph going up mean numbers are increasing?
Just an observation!!

Nurse numbers in GPa surgeries and suchlike have increased to take some of the load off doctors, but many others are agency nurses. NHS hospitals have over 100.000 unfilled vacancies, and nurses are leaving all the time.

[Borchester]

Would this sort of thing be OK Borky?

I have said it before and I will say it again, this board really needs a dirty old man, slobber, drible icon

[Barry]

Sounds good.

Do you think they could introduce black stockings ?

I am suffering from terminal old age which so far appears to be incurable, but a few Shirley Eaton look a likes would ease my passing.

Would this sort of thing be OK Borky?

[Borchester]

Excuse my ignorance but doesn't a graph going up mean numbers are increasing?
Just an observation!!

Well yes, but Steve suffers from a condition known as Leftie Victimhood, which, happily is rarely fatal, but at the same time almost incurable.

Interesting point. The NHS has more staff than the Russian Army.

[Nick]

So pay cuts year on year without end is ok is it? [highlight]Clearly nurses are leaving the profession in droves already because they can get better pay elsewhere.[/highlight] And the powers that be seem incapable of recruiting enough replacements. This clearly advertises the fact that pay is too low already to attract and retain nurses. We need to pay them more and reversing the real terms pay cuts might be a start.

Excuse my ignorance but doesn't a graph going up mean numbers are increasing?
Just an observation!!

[patman post]

I didn't say divorce it from  politics I said political ideology.

Ive been saying for a long time it should be administered cross party.

What would you propose privatise it?

That seems to me an absolutely brilliant idea.

Parliament manages to elect Select Committees with changing Chairs and cross party memberships. So why can't it devise a cross-party supervising board for the NNS?

OK, it would have to have a structure that could ride out the distractions and upsets of elections. But that cannot be beyond the wit of someone to devise — though the length of time taken to settle Brexit, get the Northern Ireland Parliament in place, and get to grips with immigration doesn't fill me with confidence...

[srb7677]

Steve, you're letting your socialist tendencies get the better of you, and changing the word rise to increase just makes you look desperate. The only difference is one will be in your T's and C's and the other not. Just because you think someone is entitled to a pay rise doesn't make it so, if the country can't afford it you don't get it.

So pay cuts year on year without end is ok is it? Clearly nurses are leaving the profession in droves already because they can get better pay elsewhere. And the powers that be seem incapable of recruiting enough replacements. This clearly advertises the fact that pay is too low already to attract and retain nurses. We need to pay them more and reversing the real terms pay cuts might be a start.

[cromwell]

So one example is "Yes it does work like that". Maybe some tinpot backstreet insurance company.

No one of the big names,and it wasn't yes it does work like that but that it can.

There is a difference which you don't want to recognise.

[Nick]

I just explained to you the person paid health insurance and critical cover,when they got cancer the company told them they weren't covered they took them by a long process and the company caved in and paid up but only after they were close to dying and as in SRB's post it does happen.

So yes I will tell you how your insurance works.

So one example is "Yes it does work like that". Maybe some tinpot backstreet insurance company.