Nurses to strike

[papasmurf]

https://newint.org/features/2019/03/08/watch-why-did-british-army-kill-one-legged-man

From that link

Cheers for that link, it was several decades ago and my relative was based in Belize but went out of Belize operationally.

[cromwell]

Tacking issues within the British Forces maybe, not going out and shooting members of drugs gangs as has been suggested.

https://newint.org/features/2019/03/08/watch-why-did-british-army-kill-one-legged-man

From that link

This explanation is plausible – at that time UK forces regularly patrolled Belize's jungles to stop drug runners. The country had only just become independent from Britain and did not yet have enough of its own soldiers and police to handle counter-narcotics.

[papasmurf]

 do they come out with 40K student debt like most do now?

Yes they do.

[papasmurf]

I'm surprised more nurses do not suffer PTSD, 

I suspect more than we know do, many leave the job due to "stress" and or end up being alcoholics.

[Nick]

I'm afraid that's not true Nick,I had a mate n the army who went to Belize around the 1980's and was involved in tackling the drug trade.

Tacking issues within the British Forces maybe, not going out and shooting members of drugs gangs as has been suggested.

[Barry]

I agree with (I think it was Steve) that if they remain in the nhs a set number of years the student debt should be cancelled.

My wife did nurse training when it was a 3 year on job training at Northampton, she qualified as a RCN. There was no cost to her, although the pay during training was not very good, but at least there was no debt.

She didn't do her training in Belize and was never shot at. 

She has dealt with a lot of blood, urine, faeces, confrontation and very emotional and traumatic situations and watched over people as they died. I'm surprised more nurses do not suffer PTSD, let alone the bad backs from lifting. Pay them the money.

[srb7677]

I heard today on the radio that typical student debt for Degree nurses is £60,000. It seemed a bit high to me.

Debt of that level - if accurate - when combined with the ever worsening pay and working conditions of nurses, must surely act as a serious deterrent. 

Clearly we need bursaries again

[cromwell]

I heard today on the radio that typical student debt for Degree nurses is £60,000. It seemed a bit high to me.

I agree with (I think it was Steve) that if they remain in the nhs a set number of years the student debt should be cancelled.

[T00ts]

I heard today on the radio that typical student debt for Degree nurses is £60,000. It seemed a bit high to me.

[papasmurf]

Simple, Steve keeps telling us all, in his best socialist guise how amazing and how hard working nurses are, which of course they are. BUT, everyone fails to mention the other people who go above and beyond in their service to this country. I'm actually surprised at PS seeing as he was part of the lifeboat service, people who put their lives at risk for no pay.

A few RNLI staff are paid, the rest including shore crew get "shout" money. Most "shouts" are not dangerous per se. Sometimes however, and it is rarely it is VERY dangerous. However, nurses due to staff shortages are work 12 hour shifts for long periods of time under tremendous stress. They also get attacked and abused by patients and relatives all too often and unlike soldiers are not armed. (My wife before she retired as a nurse came home bruised and battered a number of times.)

[cromwell]

The UK has NEVER ran anti-drug ops out of Belize, it is an agreement between the 2 countries that the U.K. gets first rate jungle to run Taceval's, and the Belize government  gets protection from the Guats. British ground troops do not get involved in drugs wars and who ever told you they do is telling you porky pies.
The Royal Navy has on occasion upset drug shipments but that's about it.

I'm afraid that's not true Nick,I had a mate n the army who went to Belize around the 1980's and was involved in tackling the drug trade.

[Nick]

Without investigating the matter further I don't know for sure is the honest answer. But since most are university educated I would guess that they acquire typical levels of student debt

Not necessarily if it's a day release system whilst they are already in employ of the NHS. 

[Nick]

I have to admit that I'm not following your line of though here, so you'll have to understand it for me. 

What does being shot at have to do with being a nurse in the NHS?

Also, what wild imagining is getting parents informed about sleeping daughters? The pantomime season hasn't yet got into full swing.

And WTF has walking a border between Guatemala and Belize with a full pack and an SLR for days have to do with nurses' shift patterns...?

Simple, Steve keeps telling us all, in his best socialist guise how amazing and how hard working nurses are, which of course they are. BUT, everyone fails to mention the other people who go above and beyond in their service to this country. I'm actually surprised at PS seeing as he was part of the lifeboat service, people who put their lives at risk for no pay. 

[srb7677]

As part of their vocational qualification maybe, do they come out with 40K student debt like most do now?

Without investigating the matter further I don't know for sure is the honest answer. But since most are university educated I would guess that they acquire typical levels of student debt

[Nick]

Most nurses in the UK now have a degree.

As part of their vocational qualification maybe, do they come out with 40K student debt like most do now?