Starmer will lose working class, say Liverpool dock strikers

[papasmurf]

"Can't" or don't want to?

Of course they can all live on 27k a year.
Everyone can.

No they can't.  Mortgage/rent/council tax/energy costs the massive rise in the cost of living.  Many millions can no longer survive on that without in work benefits. (Where I live £1000 a month would be going out in rent.)

This from an organisation run by some Tories:-

Autumn Statement will shield over a million from poverty – but poverty numbers still likely to hit record highs. | Legatum Institute

Published 17 Nov 2022
Uprating benefits in line with inflation will shield half a million from poverty, while support for energy bills, including Cost of Living Payments, will shield a further 900,000. However, there are still likely to be 15.6 million people in poverty in 2023-24.

[Baff]

"Can't" or don't want to?

Of course they can all live on 27k a year.
Everyone can.

So can you.

95% of the planet does.
7 billion people currently achieving the impossible. And strangely.... not dead.



Most people's starter pay in this country is half of what a nurse's starter pay is.
Boo hoo for nurses. How we all wept for their abject poverty.



But hey, sign on. Why not?
The poor and the infirm don't need that money.
Let the top 50% of earners receive it instead.

[papasmurf]

It's difficult to respond to such silly claims as nurses are poor without being stupid.

Let alone that 14 million people are currently unable to live on a nurses starter pay.

Baff you, news and current affairs are obviously strangers.  Millions can't live on a nurses starter pay without getting in work benefits.

[Baff]

It's difficult to respond to such silly claims as nurses are poor without being stupid.

Let alone that 14 million people are currently unable to live on a nurses starter pay.

[papasmurf]

14 million people on 27k a year have died?

Baff do not be so bloody stupid.

[Baff]

14 million people on 27k a year have died?

Weird how that hasn't made the news.


If you had the average mortgage of 9k/year (and nurses only pay about a 1/5th for their mortgage that anyone else does so in their case it's more like 2k than the national average), that would leave you with 18k a year.

You can't live on 18k a year?

WTF do you do to spend that kind of money?
You can't live on 18k a year?

Why not?

I'll tell you what, you post your household budget to me and I'll show you where you can make savings.
You can start with your wife getting a job and or you not getting married until you are no longer on starter pay.

[papasmurf]

LMAO.
Who can't live on 27K a year?

People will quite literally come from all over the world for that kind of pay.

Currently about 14 million people. (If we were still paying a mortgage, my wife and I could not live on that.
As for people coming from abroad they find out too late they can't live on that.

[Baff]

They are NOT well paid, I suspect you could not live on a nurses low starting pay.

LMAO.
Who can't live on 27K a year?

People will quite literally come from all over the world for that kind of pay.

[Baff]

But they are NOT well paid, their pay is crap, and not risen anywhere near in line with inflation for over 10 years.

Nor has anyone else's.
That doesn't make them poor.

They are well paid.
Not targets for charity.
In the top 50% of our society financially and in the top 5% of the world.

If being a 5%er isn't being well paid, then what is?

If their pay is crap, they should leave their jobs and find one more in line with their pay expectations.

[papasmurf]

Keeping saying the same thing doesn't make it right, they are well paid.

They are NOT well paid, I suspect you could not live on a nurses low starting pay.

[Nick]

But they are NOT well paid, their pay is crap, and not risen anywhere near in line with inflation for over 10 years.

Keeping saying the same thing doesn't make it right, they are well paid.

[papasmurf]

Which is why they are so well paid I expect.
Unlike poor people. Who aren't.

But they are NOT well paid, their pay is crap, and not risen anywhere near in line with inflation for over 10 years.

[Baff]

So what? Nurses are highly qualified, and if they make a mistake someone dies.

Which is why they are so well paid I expect.
Unlike poor people. Who aren't.

[papasmurf]

I'm poorer than a nurse.
Most of us are.

So what? Nurses are highly qualified, and if they make a mistake someone dies.

[Baff]

I'm poorer than a nurse.
Most of us are.

Glad to hear you are doing OK.

Might I suggest to you that there are many more millions of people in greater financial need than NHS employee's?
Just a thought.