loyalists not happy with boris johnson in northern ireland

[DeppityDawg]

The difference between the UDP and the other lot is the UDP are like the Americans. Their supporters just really love the English and want to eternally remain united to us. The parties that have to punt for votes always have to take this into consideration. Neither should we abuse that loyalty either. The other lot, as well well know, wanted to kill us, so if I were running things I would not give them the time of day, but as for the UDP, we should work out a deal where we can give something back to them, because we really need to push and independent trade deal through or we will be screwed.

You have to have an opinion about everything, don't you Lotsov. Even things you obviously and clearly know feck all about get treated to stomach churningly twee, childlike and indulgent rambling. They "love" the English? Feck off Lotsov. For a start, the Union is British, NOT English. Not that you'd have a clue about the difference between Unionists and Loyalists. Yeah, they "love" us for sure. That's why on numerous occasions the Army came under attack from rioting Loyalist mobs intent on burning out Catholic homes and shops, and on occasions under fire too.



Maybe that "love" was because patrols were often given photos of who not to lift, but I doubt you'll be able to work that out. The Loyalist paramilitaries were just as accomplished killers as the Provos, and were in many ways worse. And don't for one second confuse who were the Provos main targets, Lotsov. The Provisionals main targets were the security forces, not you. Unlike "loyalists" like the UVF and UFF, whose "targets" were almost exclusively civilians. Maybe a bit of "home policing" might be up your street since you seem to think Loyalists are all just misunderstood teddy bears? How about locking a man in the back of a transit van with two starving Rottweilers while a crowd jeers. Sounds more like downtown Raqqa than Belfast? Yeah. His "crime"? He was "feddling with tha keddies". That's paramilitary "justice". No due process, no trial, no jury. They were all as bad as each other, and your simplistic rambling shows you've almost certainly never been anywhere near the place, let alone understand its issues. Northern Ireland has many, many deep and complex divisions, and clowns like you rambling simplistically about something you haven't the faintest understanding of adds nothing to any discussion about them.

[Baron von Lotsov]

Oh balls. I tell you Pappy, you come out with more crap than the Beckton sewage works. The problem with the Poll Tax was that it was a half arsed solution to an impossible problem. The intelligent thing to do would have been to leave the rates in place. Just like the Good Friday Agreement. There was no point in trying to broker a deal between the Proddies and Taigs. The intelligent thing would have been to give both sides as much firepower as they wanted and left them to kill each other. Instead we have given the aforementioned neanderthals the idiotic impression that their opinions matter

The difference between the UDP and the other lot is the UDP are like the Americans. Their supporters just really love the English and want to eternally remain united to us. The parties that have to punt for votes always have to take this into consideration. Neither should we abuse that loyalty either. The other lot, as well well know, wanted to kill us, so if I were running things I would not give them the time of day, but as for the UDP, we should work out a deal where we can give something back to them, because we really need to push and independent trade deal through or we will be screwed.



If we have to go and ask the EU before say setting trade deals outside of the EU then you know what that means. Our main concern should be trade deals with China and America, as the two large economies. It is in the interests of both huge economies that the EU fails. The view they have is if we come out of this smelling of roses then other countries will want to follow us and the EU will disintegrate. Get it! If we play our cards right we can look forward to huge inward investment from both East and West, and if the EU has no say over this, then we will win, hence we can afford to pass a favour on or two to the UDP lot over in Ireland, who would also very much like to put food on their tables.

[papasmurf]

Oh balls. I tell you Pappy, you come out with more crap than the Beckton sewage works.

I don't it is you talking out of your arse, because you really don't know in this instance what you are talking about.

Not content with pissing of the Scots and Irish both sides of the borders, it is looking like Boris is about to screw the inshore fishing industry in order to get a passported financial transaction agreement with the EU.

[Borchester]

That attitude is what has cost the Tories dear, from imposing the Poll Tax on Scotland, and generally treating the Celtic fringe badly.

It has bitten them on the arse several times in the last few decades and bulldozing Brexit on to the Celtic fringe when the did not vote for it will do so as well.

Oh balls. I tell you Pappy, you come out with more crap than the Beckton sewage works. The problem with the Poll Tax was that it was a half arsed solution to an impossible problem. The intelligent thing to do would have been to leave the rates in place. Just like the Good Friday Agreement. There was no point in trying to broker a deal between the Proddies and Taigs. The intelligent thing would have been to give both sides as much firepower as they wanted and left them to kill each other. Instead we have given the aforementioned neanderthals the idiotic impression that their opinions matter

[Baron von Lotsov]

You obviously have no idea whatsoever of the reasons behind the Irish Border problem. Boris's  "it will be alright on the night," attitude and border in the middle of the Irish sea bollocks will bite him on the arse now his lies have been exposed.

I know what they are thinking. Prior to the election they had serious political leverage, and now they have FA.



Not that I'm particularly happy about that, since the alternative vote in Ireland is for legalised terrorists, but that's the bottom line. So prior to the election they could be Mr Big, like that Nick Clegg fellow. Now they have seen the side to it that Clegg subsequently experienced as a nothing man.



Sure the Cons would have promised the earth to keep them on board as they did with Clegg, but I guess it is like being short-changed. You get people saying no we didn't agree to that and this and the other, we just said we would give it favourable consideration. Worm-like wriggle out.

[papasmurf]

And we have no wish to find out either.

That attitude is what has cost the Tories dear, from imposing the Poll Tax on Scotland, and generally treating the Celtic fringe badly.

It has bitten them on the arse several times in the last few decades and bulldozing Brexit on to the Celtic fringe when the did not vote for it will do so as well.

[Thomas]

Is there 51% support for Ireland unity?



CLAIM: There is 51% support for a united Ireland.



CONCLUSION: ACCURATE. Although the Sinn Fein manifesto didn't declare the exclusion of "don't knows", this revises a 44/45/7 split to a rounded 49/51 split between staying in the UK and leaving the UK and joining the Republic of Ireland.

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[Borchester]

You obviously have no idea whatsoever of the reasons behind the Irish Border problem.

And we have no wish to find out either. Whatever happens the Northern Irish will always find something to moan about. We should of hung onto southern Ireland and left the Ulster folk to kneecap themselves.

[papasmurf]

They sound like as big a whingers as the SNP.

You obviously have no idea whatsoever of the reasons behind the Irish Border problem. Boris's  "it will be alright on the night," attitude and border in the middle of the Irish sea bollocks will bite him on the arse now his lies have been exposed.

[T00ts]

Here we go. Didn't someone wonder what we would talk about this year?

[Baron von Lotsov]

They sound like as big a whingers as the SNP. Last night the leader of the SNP declared on LBC she was "holding a vigil", whereupon the interviewer burst out laughing.



I'm sick of this symbolic claptrap. If we need a border to keep out of the EU regs then we will have one. It is not intended to hurt their pride but just allow us to make some money and feed ourselves with. It does not mean we don't love them. We do. The ones we are wary of are the ones who are the political wing of the IRA.

[Thomas]

Loyalists on Brexit: 'A one-way route to an economic united Ireland'

A 'neglected and pushed' loyalist community feels 'totally betrayed' by Boris Johnson

 



Loyalists oppose a trade border in the Irish Sea, the compromise agreed by British prime minister Boris Johnson and the EU in October that paves the way for the UK's orderly departure from the EU on Friday.



Loyalists see the new border in symbolic terms as eroding their political identity as unionists and British subjects of the crown.



They see the new customs and regulatory frontier on the Irish Sea not as London, Dublin and Brussels see it – a compromise to avoid a hard Irish land Border that could have sparked republican anger and potentially violence – but as a step to Irish economic unity.



For this they blame Johnson, who vowed at the DUP conference in 2018 not to create any economic barriers in the Irish Sea. Their anger is not helped by the confused messages from Johnson and UK officials about the checks required on goods moving between the North and Britain after Brexit.

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'Suck it up'



Wilson says there is "a lot of anger" in the loyalist community that Johnson "totally betrayed" the British people of Northern Ireland.



"This isn't what I signed up for: to be told by the British government to just 'suck it up, and too bad this is the way it is going to be'."



After the deal was unveiled in October a series of public meetings and rallies brought together a broad sweep of unionists and loyalists to protest against the deal they call the "betrayal act".



Wilson says Johnson's deal was a "complete somersault", and "the ultimate sell-out" which breaches the 1998 Belfast Agreement that underpins the peace process.

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