Bring Back Boris?

[Unlucky4Sum]

Firstly, there is no such thing as "the" remain campaign.  Any professional or business group or individual who worked to persuade the public to vote to remain, was campaigning to remain.  As I recall, the PM said there would be a profound economic shock if we voted to leave.  Are you denying that?

If there was a Nobel Prize for bollocks that post of yours would win it.

Those people that actually applied intelligence to read about the history of Brexit know that there was an official remain campaign.  that Britain Stronger in Europe was named by the Electoral Commission as the official lead campaign 

The man down the off licence you may have heard talking about remaining doesn't count 
 
Here have a look at the various official campaigns materials on Brexit  https://digital.library.lse.ac.uk/collections/brexit/2016 and see if you can find what you allege Remain said.

[Unlucky4Sum]

The deceits of PM David Cameron, who campaigned to remain:

"When the British people speak, their voice will be respected, not ignored".  And then the vote was not implemented for 4 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUsKWsPcRXE

"Leaving Europe would threaten our economic and national securty."  Leaving has not in any way damaged our national security.

"[Remaining in the EU] we will never be part of a European army."  That's a deceitful claim, because the EU gave a green light for an EU army, and it was never in Cameron's powers to claim it would never happen.

"And whatever your decision, I will do my best to deliver it."  Then he resigned, which isn't really doing his best, so that was a lie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w87GNWJHtFM

So it doesn't cross your mind that resigning and getting out of the way was 'his best' to let it be implemented?

And if you think it hasn't threatened our economic and national security then how come we had to devalue big time, print money big time and complain to the EU that the NI protocol was 'endangering security'?

And it took 3 and half years because no one in power was stupid enough to leave until we'd got a deal in place to prevent a national catastrophe.  

Obviously you'd have preferred and probably still prefer a no deal jihadist Brexit that fucks up the country but maybe you should (a) care more for your fellow Brits and (b) realise that such a bollocks up would be the fast track to rejoining.  

[Scott777]

The deceits of PM David Cameron, who campaigned to remain:

"When the British people speak, their voice will be respected, not ignored".  And then the vote was not implemented for 4 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUsKWsPcRXE

"Leaving Europe would threaten our economic and national securty."  Leaving has not in any way damaged our national security.

"[Remaining in the EU] we will never be part of a European army."  That's a deceitful claim, because the EU gave a green light for an EU army, and it was never in Cameron's powers to claim it would never happen.

"And whatever your decision, I will do my best to deliver it."  Then he resigned, which isn't really doing his best, so that was a lie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w87GNWJHtFM

[Scott777]

Well feel free to get a Remain campaign quote of that.

Firstly, there is no such thing as "the" remain campaign.  Any professional or business group or individual who worked to persuade the public to vote to remain, was campaigning to remain.  As I recall, the PM said there would be a profound economic shock if we voted to leave.  Are you denying that?

[Streetwalker]

You really don't understand what a nightmare a no deal exit would have been do you. 

That old chestnut ?  Planted by the EU when WTO was suggested ,lapped up  and hyped up by the remainer establishment as a disarster scenario . 
The EU were crapping themselves that we might just call their bluff and walk away ,no article 50 , no £40 billion ransom payment , no EU courts ,no EU laws .  What do you think they were going to say , thats a good idea see you later ?  

[Unlucky4Sum]

Where was the profound economic shock as soon as we voted to leave?

Well feel free to get a Remain campaign quote of that.

[Unlucky4Sum]

It was a rubbish agreement that will see us forever at the negotiating table . It was that bad having agreed it in October they didn't put it on the table till dealine day giving Parliament little time for scrutiny , some MP's voted it through without even reading it . The EU parliament didnt even rattify it until it was in place . So much for democracy eh .


Zero tariffs are just a starting point , going forward there will be disputes , divergence and the 'penalties' of tariffs.
We will need to keep aligned to the EU single market (aka Theresa Mays common rule book) or face retalitory tarriffs ,just this morning Vauxhall were calling foul and and a rewriting of the rules
Vauxhall-maker says UK needs to change its Brexit deal - BBC News

Johnson refused to keep the UK orbiting in the EU's gravitational  pull and would have gradually unstitched the 'deal' to retain the freedom to regulate our own economy while accepting penalties as part of the game .

Sunak on the other hand with his Windsor Framework will keep the UK aligned to the single market rules and regulations but as the link above suggests that is unravelling before the ink is dry .

You really don't understand what a nightmare a no deal exit would have been do you.  

[Streetwalker]

You what?

the EU very much did agree a mutually beneficial deal.  Which part of zero tariffs for no free movement and no contributions do you need explained?

It was a rubbish agreement that will see us forever at the negotiating table . It was that bad having agreed it in October they didn't put it on the table till dealine day giving Parliament little time for scrutiny , some MP's voted it through without even reading it . The EU parliament didnt even rattify it until it was in place . So much for democracy eh .


Zero tariffs are just a starting point , going forward there will be disputes , divergence and the 'penalties' of tariffs.
 We will need to keep aligned to the EU single market (aka Theresa Mays common rule book) or face retalitory tarriffs ,just this morning Vauxhall were calling foul and and a rewriting of the rules 
Vauxhall-maker says UK needs to change its Brexit deal - BBC News

Johnson refused to keep the UK orbiting in the EU's gravitational  pull and would have gradually unstitched the 'deal' to retain the freedom to regulate our own economy while accepting penalties as part of the game . 

Sunak on the other hand with his Windsor Framework will keep the UK aligned to the single market rules and regulations but as the link above suggests that is unravelling before the ink is dry .

[Scott777]

So go on then see if you can back your bile and find one dishonest statement made by the Remain campaign. 

Where was the profound economic shock as soon as we voted to leave?

[Unlucky4Sum]

 . . ..It was possible if the EU had agreed a mutually beneficial deal but that was never on the table and  yes we knew that was never going to happen despite our hopes (yes we hoped) but we were prepared and were told there would be  'Bumps in the road ' after Brexit .

You what?

the EU very much did agree a mutually beneficial deal.  Which part of zero tariffs for no free movement and no contributions do you need explained?

[Unlucky4Sum]

No problem, and since you have no explanation, I suggest it's because people could see through the exaggerations of the remain campaign, the fear-mongering, and decided independence was more important than a little security.  The point is, you try to blame a 'dishonest' leave campaign, but ignore the dishonest remain campaign, and pretend only leave was a problem, which is dishonest of you.

So go on then see if you can back your bile and find one dishonest statement made by the Remain campaign.  

[papasmurf]

Face it, you could in no way be considered normal...

Very few people are normal, or consider themselves to be. I was at a lecture some years ago and the lecturer asked anyone who thinks they are normal put your hand up. Only one person did, and it transpired he was an HMRC tax inspector.

[Streetwalker]

Farage may not have been THE official lead Leave campaign but his Leave.EU was an officially recognised Leave campaign and received air time as a result.

Indeed , I was more refering to the fact that the man that did more than any other to achieve brexit was cut off after it was achieved . To not use his vast knowledge of the workings of the EU and his insight into the personalities sitting opposite was like going to war and leaving the weapons behind .

I agree that May was not a good negotiator and her deal would have been awful all round.  But she and Davis were trying to get a solution to both the NI problem and the UK trade problem while hampered for most of that time by a Bozo of a Foreign Secretary that kept making the relationship with the EU toxic with all sorts of idiot comments.

They were only problems because they made them so . Mayhem was mad to give Johnson a cabinet position but then the Etonians are stronger than the Masons in the conservative party and as we know they weaved their web in getting Boris ,then Gove  to stand down from the leadership contest giving May a clear run . Maybe that had something to do with it .

I know some people still believe we could have got Boris's 'cake and eat it' outcome but even he wasn't that stupid enough to believe his blatant lie.

It was possible if the EU had agreed a mutually beneficial deal but that was never on the table and  yes we knew that was never going to happen despite our hopes (yes we hoped) but we were prepared and were told there would be  'Bumps in the road ' after brexit .

[patman post]

Smarmy git, is what I associate with Farage.

Face it, you could in no way be considered normal...

[papasmurf]

Say the name, Farage, and 90% of the time, the immediate word association is "Brexit"...

Smarmy git, is what I associate with Farage.