Turned away for not having the correct ID - but back to the polling station in minutes

[Unlucky4Sum]

Apologies.

It certainly looks like I stand corrected.

But I am not 100% sure it is that clear cut because I can't see the whole country ignoring election instructions, which are usually scrupulously followed....

Ta

The whole country did not ignore the instructions, why do you think so? (please don't say you believed the Smurf).

My poll card very much did have the advisory on it, so did Mrs U4S's  

[patman post]

The information is still being collated, the problem is being obscured by the wall to wall coronation bullshine.
I have had a number of emails from organisations doing the collating. Disabled people and young people are the worst effected.
How many councils did not comply with the legal requirement has not yet been collated.

Are there any examples of councils complying with the amendment...?

PS — I found one. Charnwood notified voters on its website that the poll card would contain info on photo ID...

https://www.charnwood.gov.uk/news/2023/03/28/look_out_for_your_poll_card

[patman post]

The links work fine here, which one didn't work for you?

Anyway you've linked to draft legislation which subsequently became

a) this legislation:  https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2022/1382/contents/made

as then amended by 

b) this legislation https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2022/1397/contents/made

Which is where the requirement for poll cards to include the advisory was made

Apologies.

It certainly looks like I stand corrected.

But I am not 100% sure it is that clear cut because I can't see the whole country ignoring election instructions, which are usually scrupulously followed....

[Unlucky4Sum]

1. The link you've provided doesn't work. However, I have accessed:

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2022/9780348240504/contents
and
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9187/

2. Neither of these stipulate that Poll cards for the recent local elections are required to stipulate that photo ID is required. In fact, the Commons Library document makes it clear that the requirement for photo ID is an enlarged trial:

The Electoral Commission found little evidence that voter ID requirements had a direct impact on turnout overall in its evaluation of the 2018 pilots. In 2019, for the pilots with comparable figures, turnout was down by two to six percentage points on the 2018 elections. However, the evaluation noted that turnout depends on various factors and changes cannot be attributed to a single one. Turnout across English local elections in 2019 was down around two percentage points on 2018.

Local elections in England in May 2023 will be the first in this part of the UK where voters will need to show ID. The Government is required to report on the effect of voter ID on these elections and the next two UK Parliament elections. Presiding officers and returning officers will be required to collect information at these elections to inform the review.

Photo ID is likely to become a regular UK-wide requirement for future elections. And I don't see it any more arduous for the electorate members than checking they're on the electoral roll.

PS — got your link to work. The appropriate section reads:

Poll cards must follow the prescribed form in legislation. You must include on each poll card all of the elements specified in the relevant election rules and shown on the front and the back of the poll cards in the appendix.1

The elements specified to be included do not include references to photo ID...

The links work fine here, which one didn't work for you?
 
Anyway you've linked to draft legislation which subsequently became 
 
a) this legislation:  https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2022/1382/contents/made
 
as then amended by  
 
b) this legislation https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2022/1397/contents/made

Which is where the requirement for poll cards to include the advisory was made

[patman post]

Give me strength.  It has been and you full well know that despite you digging up material referring to past elections.

Before these recent elections the officials had to read the packs from the EC,

Read one of them here:  https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/guidance-returning-officers-administering-local-government-elections-england/voter-materials/production-poll-cards

And you'll see that it clearly says You must include on each poll card all of the elements specified in the relevant election rules and shown on the front and the back of the poll cards in the appendix.1

And what does that appendix say?    It says this:  'The latest versions of the poll cards at principal area, parish and community council elections can be found in The Voter Identification (Principal Area, Parish and Greater London Authority Elections) (Amendment) Rules 2022. '

IE the very reference I've given over and over:  https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2022/1397/schedule/1/part/2/made

Which very much includes the Voter ID advisory and the list of acceptable ID

Maybe you didn't notice but

• Not one MP has challenged in the house of Commons when all that was summarised or after - and opposition MPs will of course be very quick to point out any minister misleading the house
• Not one candidate nor one political party has alleged the poll cards did not include that advisory

Yes one man in Cornwall has alleged that many councils did not obey the law and yet pathetically fails to provide any evidence.  You believe him if you wish.

1. The link you've provided doesn't work. However, I have accessed:

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2022/9780348240504/contents
and
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9187/

2. Neither of these stipulate that Poll cards for the recent local elections are required to stipulate that photo ID is required. In fact, the Commons Library document makes it clear that the requirement for photo ID is an enlarged trial:

The Electoral Commission found little evidence that voter ID requirements had a direct impact on turnout overall in its evaluation of the 2018 pilots. In 2019, for the pilots with comparable figures, turnout was down by two to six percentage points on the 2018 elections. However, the evaluation noted that turnout depends on various factors and changes cannot be attributed to a single one. Turnout across English local elections in 2019 was down around two percentage points on 2018.

Local elections in England in May 2023 will be the first in this part of the UK where voters will need to show ID. The Government is required to report on the effect of voter ID on these elections and the next two UK Parliament elections. Presiding officers and returning officers will be required to collect information at these elections to inform the review.

Photo ID is likely to become a regular UK-wide requirement for future elections. And I don't see it any more arduous for the electorate members than checking they're on the electoral roll.

PS — got your link to work. The appropriate section reads:

Poll cards must follow the prescribed form in legislation. You must include on each poll card all of the elements specified in the relevant election rules and shown on the front and the back of the poll cards in the appendix.1

The elements specified to be included do not include references to photo ID...

[papasmurf]

or in short you asserted something to be an established fact when all you had was your own imagination. 

It is an established fact in it just the numbers effected not known yet. That is what is being collated.

[Unlucky4Sum]

The information is still being collated, the problem is being obscured by the wall to wall coronation bullshine.
I have had a number of emails from organisations doing the collating. Disabled people and young people are the worst effected.
How many councils did not comply with the legal requirement has not yet been collated.

or in short you asserted something to be an established fact when all you had was your own imagination.  

[papasmurf]

Yes one man in Cornwall has alleged that many councils did not obey the law and yet pathetically fails to provide any evidence.  You believe him if you wish.

The information is still being collated, the problem is being obscured by the wall to wall coronation bullshine.
I have had a number of emails from organisations doing the collating. Disabled people and young people are the worst effected.
How many councils did not comply with the legal requirement has not yet been collated.

[Unlucky4Sum]

Yep, it's the existing and current example.

What I'm wondering is — if there's an update to the layout and info required to be on Poll cards — why hasn't that update been distributed to local authorities and others that need to know?

I agree the demand seems to be there, but it seems that it isn't yet a legal requirement. Otherwise, someone would have been able to link to it...

Give me strength.  It has been and you full well know that despite you digging up material referring to past elections.

Before these recent elections the officials had to read the packs from the EC,

Read one of them here:  https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/guidance-returning-officers-administering-local-government-elections-england/voter-materials/production-poll-cards 

And you'll see that it clearly says You must include on each poll card all of the elements specified in the relevant election rules and shown on the front and the back of the poll cards in the appendix.1

And what does that appendix say?    It says this:  'The latest versions of the poll cards at principal area, parish and community council elections can be found in The Voter Identification (Principal Area, Parish and Greater London Authority Elections) (Amendment) Rules 2022. '

IE the very reference I've given over and over:  https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2022/1397/schedule/1/part/2/made

Which very much includes the Voter ID advisory and the list of acceptable ID

Maybe you didn't notice but

• Not one MP has challenged in the house of Commons when all that was summarised or after - and opposition MPs will of course be very quick to point out any minister misleading the house
• Not one candidate nor one political party has alleged the poll cards did not include that advisory

Yes one man in Cornwall has alleged that many councils did not obey the law and yet pathetically fails to provide any evidence.  You believe him if you wish.

[patman post]

Seems like many posters on here are as much strangers to veracity as papasmurf...

[patman post]

That is a link to poll card for the 2021 P&CC elections when Voter ID was not in place

Yep, it's the existing and current example.

What I'm wondering is — if there's an update to the layout and info required to be on Poll cards — why hasn't that update been distributed to local authorities and others that need to know?

I agree the demand seems to be there, but it seems that it isn't yet a legal requirement. Otherwise, someone would have been able to link to it...

[Unlucky4Sum]

I realise that London and the southeast support the rest of the UK, but there's no reason the Electoral Commission should provide an out of date Poll card print pattern for the rest...

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/sites/default/files/pdf_file/Poll-card-ordinary.pdf

PS: if I'm wrong, I'd be grateful if someone could link to something official.

That is a link to poll card for the 2021 P&CC elections when Voter ID was not in place

[patman post]

Maybe thats because your in London and we haven't had an election since the rule about ID came in

I realise that London and the southeast support the rest of the UK, but there's no reason the Electoral Commission should provide an out of date Poll card print pattern for the rest...

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/sites/default/files/pdf_file/Poll-card-ordinary.pdf

PS: if I'm wrong, I'd be grateful if someone could link to something official.

[Nick]

There were no local elections in Cornwall. However the number of councils that did not comply with the law when it came to putting the ID requirement is being collated. There is a big row brewing about despite people on this forum not being aware of it.
I suspect before the general election the government will either have to scrap the police or make sure everyone on the electoral register is informed. (Which is not rocket science as registration is annual.)

Nobody said there where elections in Cornwall, what he said was you just make yourself look stupid. 

[papasmurf]

And yet you still cannot name one.  Are you canvassing on behalf of the 'Make Cornish Residents Look Stupid' party because you're doing a great job for them.

There were no local elections in Cornwall. However the number of councils that did not comply with the law when it came to putting the ID requirement is being collated. There is a big row brewing about despite people on this forum not being aware of it.
I suspect before the general election the government will either have to scrap the police or make sure everyone on the electoral register is informed. (Which is not rocket science as registration is annual.)