Ashes 2023

[Nick]

This season has seen some great bowling from Woods, touching 97mph. 🤩 

[Nick]

So you still can't show that rule about tapping, what a failure you are today.

The third umpire can review anything the on field umpires ask them to review, seems you don't know that.  But then you've proven you don't know a lot really.

Can you not read? I DID NOT EVER SAY IT WAS A RULE, you just keep telling yourself I did, but you can't show where I did. Pathetic really.

[Unlucky4Sum]

What utter crap, I never mentioned tapping being in the rules, you're now just lying to get out of a hole. Show me where I said it was a rule?
. You really haven't got a clue what you're talking about. The 3rd umpire doesn't have anything to do with calling over, he doesn't get involved in any real-time decisions.

This might be a little too advanced for you but give it a go.

So you still can't show that rule about tapping, what a failure you are today. 
 
The third umpire can review anything the on field umpires ask them to review, seems you don't know that.  But then you've proven you don't know a lot really.
 

[Nick]

So you were lying your arse off when you said tapping the ground was in the rules and you're not big enough to admit it.

What utter crap, I never mentioned tapping being in the rules, you're now just lying to get out of a hole. Show me where I said it was a rule?

The 3rd umpire should have checked the dead ball position

. You really haven't got a clue what you're talking about. The 3rd umpire doesn't have anything to do with calling over, he doesn't get involved in any real-time decisions.

This might be a little too advanced for you but give it a go.

[Unlucky4Sum]

You really have no clue what you're talking about, and neither does Bairstow according to you, when on 13 seconds of this video he taps the ground to signify to all that he's saying play is dead, or do you think he's just had a dump and is trying to bury it like a cat?

As for the rules, I know the rules, and according to the rules he's out (I did say this 12 posts ago) , the fact you're arguing with rules again shows that you've tried to get involved in a topic you have little or no knowledge about. The commentator even alludes to an incident with MS.

https://youtu.be/NIid2VddrZk

So you were lying your arse off when you said tapping the ground was in the rules and you're not big enough to admit it.
 
And now you YET AGAIN make up false assertions as to what I posted.  You do this a lot when you've fucked up don't you.
  
The 3rd umpire should have checked the dead ball position and then the on field umpire would likely have asked Cummins to withdraw the appeal.  They never checked so he never asked and as a result Carey and Cummins look like complete gits.
 

[Nick]

I suggest you go read the actual rules of cricket and not what's written on your bog door

https://www.lords.org/mcc/the-laws-of-cricket  nothing about tapping.
 
Rule 20.1.2

And it is a fact that none of the umpires asked to check if the ball should have been seen as dead.  Deny that if you like, you'll be wrong. 

You really have no clue what you're talking about, and neither does Bairstow according to you, when on 13 seconds of this video he taps the ground to signify to all that he's saying play is dead, or do you think he's just had a dump and is trying to bury it like a cat?

As for the rules, I know the rules, and according to the rules he's out (I did say this 12 posts ago) , the fact you're arguing with rules again shows that you've tried to get involved in a topic you have little or no knowledge about. The commentator even alludes to an incident with MS. 

https://youtu.be/NIid2VddrZk

[Unlucky4Sum]

And once again you show your total like of comprehension of Cricket. It will serve you well in future if you actually learn some cricket vocabulary. A tap is what a player does with either his foot or the bat in the CREASE to signify to the other team that he's saying the ball is dead and he is going to leave his CREASE. Nothing to do with the run out. Just so you understand, the little stick things had left the big stick things so , what else was the third umpire going to look at if not whether he was in his CREASE. 🙄

I suggest you go read the actual rules of cricket and not what's written on your bog door 

https://www.lords.org/mcc/the-laws-of-cricket  nothing about tapping.
  
Rule 20.1.2 

And it is a fact that none of the umpires asked to check if the ball should have been seen as dead.  Deny that if you like, you'll be wrong.  

[Nick]

You sure you're actually following the thread here?  Seems not.

It's a fact that the third umpire only reviewed for whether he was in his ground and did not review to see if when the ball hit the wicket the fielding side were regarding the ball as dead.  Go watch it again, their captain certainly was.

And once again you show your total like of comprehension of Cricket. It will serve you well in future if you actually learn some cricket vocabulary. A tap is what a player does with either his foot or the bat in the CREASE to signify to the other team that he's saying the ball is dead and he is going to leave his CREASE. Nothing to do with the run out. Just so you understand, the little stick things had left the big stick things so , what else was the third umpire going to look at if not whether he was in his CREASE. 🙄 

[Unlucky4Sum]

But you think the crease is called his ground , perhaps you should watch with the TV turned on in future.

You would know that a tap signified Barestow saying the ball is dead as far as he is concerned. And he didn't try to gain any advantage.

You sure you're actually following the thread here?  Seems not. 
 
It's a fact that the third umpire only reviewed for whether he was in his ground and did not review to see if when the ball hit the wicket the fielding side were regarding the ball as dead.  Go watch it again, their captain certainly was. 

[Unlucky4Sum]

Really? That's why 3 players got banned for CHEATING, and the poor lad Bancroft has had his career ruined by Smith and Warner, the same Warner that punched Joe Root in the face in a pub when he was a young lad. If that's what you call serious then you can keep it.

SAME OLD AUSSIES, ALWAYS CHEATING!!

Bancroft didn't have his career ruined by them.   He wasn't that special before and he hasn't been that special after however he did return to the test side through to 2019.  As a wicketkeeper batsman it's always a vulnerable position and Carey's batting stats are at least comparable to Bancroft pre sandpaper.  
 
https://www.espncricinfo.com/cricketers/cameron-bancroft-501011/bowling-batting-stats 
 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/cricketers/alex-carey-326434/bowling-batting-stats

[Nick]

I watch test cricket a lot and I know the rule on dead ball.  Seems you don't. 
 

But you think the crease is called his ground , perhaps you should watch with the TV turned on in future.

You would know that a tap signified Bairstow saying the ball is dead as far as he is concerned. And he didn't try to gain any advantage.

[Unlucky4Sum]

?? I take it you don't watch Cricket then? If you mean out of his crease, he was, and the umpires made the only decision they could. Saying that, he dabbed his foot and that should have been enough for Carey. There was a great opportunity for the Aussies to put right Sandpaper gate and they blew it. It is going to be feisty now!

I watch test cricket a lot and I know the rule on dead ball.  Seems you don't.   
  

[Nick]

Well-documented and corroborated ball tampering and other cheating incidents by England's cricketers appear to have slipped your mind.

Here's a few that might jog your memory:

Marcus Trescothick wrote in his autobiography that he was the designated ball tamperer in the 2005 Ashes side, using specifically chosen mints to help gain the wild reverse swing England's quicks achieved that summer. Trescothick doesn't give the impression he was a rogue operator. His account suggests the whole team was in on it, and that it was systematic tampering. Michael Vaughan supports the claim that James Anderson and Stuart Broad were involved in ball tampering in the 2005 Ashes series.

England 'cheated' their way to Ashes glory in 2005 by subbing on a specialist fielder admits former star player Andrew Flintoff.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3341851/England-cheated-way-Ashes-glory-2005-using-gun-substitute-fielder-admits-star-player-Andrew-Flintoff.html

In 2021 Wisden quoted the ICC and said: England have breached the code of conduct more than any other side, with 12 breaches since the start of April, 2018. These include two each for James Anderson, Jason Roy and Jonny Bairstow, and three for Stuart Broad. Broad's three breaches since then are the most of any player in world cricket, despite him only playing in one of the three international formats.
https://wisden.com/stories/news-stories/its-official-england-are-statistically-the-worst-behaved-team-in-world-cricket
https://www.icc-cricket.com/about/cricket/rules-and-regulations/code-of-conduct

In January 2010, Stuart Broad and James Anderson were accused of ball tampering by stopping the ball with the spikes of their boots in the third test against South Africa. But Broad maintained that he was just being lazy, because it was 40 °C. Nasser Hussain, who had captained Anderson, said: "Stuart Broad and James Anderson were wrong to behave in the manner they did and I've no doubt that if a player from another country did the same we'd have said they were cheating."

In 1994, Michael Atherton was caught on TV using dirt in his pocket to ball tamper and was fined £2,000 for failing to disclose the dirt to the match referee.

There's more — from bodyline onwards — if you care to search...

There is a vast difference between sucking a mint and carrying a piece of sandpaper in your pocket, even worse is making a young lad do it and destroying his career.
Punching a 20 odd year old lad, Warner got banned, sandpapergate, Warner got banned. He should never grace a field ever again.
As for bodyline, that was decades ago and the Aussies made us promise we wouldn't do it or they would take their ball home.

People put all kinds of crap in biographies, they're told to do it by the writer in order to sell books.

Anyway, three changes for tomorrow: Robinson, Anderson and Tongue out, Ali, Woakes and Pope in ?? Seen 2 different versions of that so might not be 100% accurate.

[patman post]

Really? That's why 3 players got banned for CHEATING, and the poor lad Bancroft has had his career ruined by Smith and Warner, the same Warner that punched Joe Root in the face in a pub when he was a young lad. If that's what you call serious then you can keep it.

SAME OLD AUSSIES, ALWAYS CHEATING!!

Well-documented and corroborated ball tampering and other cheating incidents by England's cricketers appear to have slipped your mind.

Here's a few that might jog your memory:

Marcus Trescothick wrote in his autobiography that he was the designated ball tamperer in the 2005 Ashes side, using specifically chosen mints to help gain the wild reverse swing England's quicks achieved that summer. Trescothick doesn't give the impression he was a rogue operator. His account suggests the whole team was in on it, and that it was systematic tampering. Michael Vaughan supports the claim that James Anderson and Stuart Broad were involved in ball tampering in the 2005 Ashes series.

England 'cheated' their way to Ashes glory in 2005 by subbing on a specialist fielder admits former star player Andrew Flintoff.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3341851/England-cheated-way-Ashes-glory-2005-using-gun-substitute-fielder-admits-star-player-Andrew-Flintoff.html

In 2021 Wisden quoted the ICC and said: England have breached the code of conduct more than any other side, with 12 breaches since the start of April, 2018. These include two each for James Anderson, Jason Roy and Jonny Bairstow, and three for Stuart Broad. Broad's three breaches since then are the most of any player in world cricket, despite him only playing in one of the three international formats.
https://wisden.com/stories/news-stories/its-official-england-are-statistically-the-worst-behaved-team-in-world-cricket
https://www.icc-cricket.com/about/cricket/rules-and-regulations/code-of-conduct

In January 2010, Stuart Broad and James Anderson were accused of ball tampering by stopping the ball with the spikes of their boots in the third test against South Africa. But Broad maintained that he was just being lazy, because it was 40 °C. Nasser Hussain, who had captained Anderson, said: "Stuart Broad and James Anderson were wrong to behave in the manner they did and I've no doubt that if a player from another country did the same we'd have said they were cheating."

In 1994, Michael Atherton was caught on TV using dirt in his pocket to ball tamper and was fined £2,000 for failing to disclose the dirt to the match referee.

There's more — from bodyline onwards — if you care to search...

[Streetwalker]

And as Broady said to Carey, forever you will be remembered for this incident.

And I dare say constantly reminded of it