End of the triple lock ?

[papasmurf]

I know people that used to work at Horwich Loco works, that closed in the 1983, and they have not worked since due to some mystery disability. Doesn't stop them going to the gym every day.

There you go Nick you have just admitted you don't know. Many disabilities are invisible  and going to a gym is often used as theraphy for disabilities under the National exercise referral scheme.

[papasmurf]

I just said long term sick has its own category. So what is other if it's not people sucking and diving?

What make you think it is  people sucking and diving? (Given your lack of knowledge of the hostile environment of the Government, the DWP, JobCentre Plus, DWP contractors, the right wing media and the general public towards benefits claimants, the latter fueled by anti claimant lies and propaganda.)
I really would like you to provide a link to peer reviewed evidence to back up your contention and implication there are millions of "scroungers/layabouts."

[Nick]

So we both know people that don't exist   Thank feck for that I was starting to think I was going mad .  Keep this to yourself Borky but  (whispers quietly) I can see them as well .

Still can't see Richie Rich pissing off the pensioners with the election coming up too much . The inflation protection 8% will probably settle at around 5% and everyone will be happy enough

I know people that used to work at Horwich Loco works, that closed in the 1983, and they have not worked since due to some mystery disability. Doesn't stop them going to the gym every day. 

[Nick]

Long term sick is a different category.  A few scroungers and bone idle bastards exist but not in the millions you and the Tory government imply. They are also not all on benefit.  I was asked often in the past, how many people work where you work. My reply was about half of them. (In some cases that was an underestimate.)

I just said long term sick has its own category. So what is other if it's not people sucking and diving?

[Streetwalker]

That does sound like some people I know

So we both know people that don't exist    Thank feck for that I was starting to think I was going mad .  Keep this to yourself Borky but  (whispers quietly) I can see them as well .

Still can't see Richie Rich pissing off the pensioners with the election coming up too much . The inflation protection 8% will probably settle at around 5% and everyone will be happy enough 

[papasmurf]

Which comes under long term sick, and not other.
You continuously denying there are people who have never worked and don't want to doesn't make it wrong. These people exist whether you like to admit not or not.

Long term sick is a different category.  A few scroungers and bone idle bastards exist but not in the millions you and the Tory government imply. They are also not all on benefit.  I was asked often in the past, how many people work where you work. My reply was about half of them. (In some cases that was an underestimate.)

[Nick]

So what. A clue is 7.6 million on NHS waiting lists, a significant number of whom not able to work until they have had surgery or other medical treatment.

Which comes under long term sick, and not other. 
You continuously denying there are people who have never worked and don't want to doesn't make it wrong. These people exist whether you like to admit not or not. 

[papasmurf]

And 10% of your graph just says OTHER!!

So what. A clue is 7.6 million on NHS waiting lists, a significant number of whom not able to work until they have had surgery or other medical treatment.

[Nick]

That is not quantifying the contention of people being on benefit all of their lives.
A more detailed analysis of the economically inactive live chart at link:-

UK economic inactivity by reason 2023 | Statista

And 10% of your graph just says OTHER!!

[papasmurf]

Unemployment: Who are the millions of Britons not working? - BBC News

That is not quantifying the contention of people being on benefit all of their lives.
A more detailed analysis of the economically inactive live chart at link:-

UK economic inactivity by reason 2023 | Statista

[Borchester]

We will Borky but its no suprise to me that it might be coming to an end (pensioner next year ).  Labour will no doubt means test it ,anyone thats saved will get feck all until they are skint and they will make us grovel for anything while people who have been on benefits all their lives will just crack on  and someone will have to remind them they are 70 as they have been off their heads  since they left school and probably think they are only 55

That does sound like some people I know

[Streetwalker]

What people who have been on benefits all of their lives? (That is not a trick question and please answer with some facts not lies and propaganda.

In search of 'intergenerational cultures of worklessness': Hunting the Yeti and shooting zombies - Robert Macdonald, Tracy Shildrick, Andy Furlong, 2014 (sagepub.com)


Abstract

The idea of 'intergenerational cultures of worklessness' has become influential in UK politics and policy, and been used to explain contemporary worklessness and to justify welfare reforms. Workless parents are said to pass on to their children attitudes and behaviours which inculcate 'welfare dependency'. In its strongest version, politicians and welfare practitioners talk confidently of 'three generations of families where no-one has ever worked'; even though no study, bar this one, has investigated whether such families actually exist. Solid evidence for intergenerational cultures of worklessness is elusive so this study tested the idea via interviews with twenty families in Glasgow and Middlesbrough that had been long-term workless. Theories of intergenerational cultures of worklessness feel like 'zombie arguments' – resistant to evidence and social scientific efforts to kill them off. Regardless, the findings of this critical case study are offered as a fresh batch of ammunition with which to try to do so.

Unemployment: Who are the millions of Britons not working? - BBC News

[papasmurf]

 while people who have been on benefits all their lives 

What people who have been on benefits all of their lives? (That is not a trick question and please answer with some facts not lies and propaganda.

In search of 'intergenerational cultures of worklessness': Hunting the Yeti and shooting zombies - Robert Macdonald, Tracy Shildrick, Andy Furlong, 2014 (sagepub.com)


Abstract

The idea of 'intergenerational cultures of worklessness' has become influential in UK politics and policy, and been used to explain contemporary worklessness and to justify welfare reforms. Workless parents are said to pass on to their children attitudes and behaviours which inculcate 'welfare dependency'. In its strongest version, politicians and welfare practitioners talk confidently of 'three generations of families where no-one has ever worked'; even though no study, bar this one, has investigated whether such families actually exist. Solid evidence for intergenerational cultures of worklessness is elusive so this study tested the idea via interviews with twenty families in Glasgow and Middlesbrough that had been long-term workless. Theories of intergenerational cultures of worklessness feel like 'zombie arguments' – resistant to evidence and social scientific efforts to kill them off. Regardless, the findings of this critical case study are offered as a fresh batch of ammunition with which to try to do so.

[Streetwalker]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/pension-triple-lock-rayner-rishi-b2409903.html


A sad blow for the Layabout Army, although I dare say that those of us who have worked hard and put aside a modest competence will
survive

We will Borky but its no suprise to me that it might be coming to an end (pensioner next year ).  Labour will no doubt means test it ,anyone thats saved will get feck all until they are skint and they will make us grovel for anything while people who have been on benefits all their lives will just crack on  and someone will have to remind them they are 70 as they have been off their heads  since they left school and probably think they are only 55

[Borchester]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/pension-triple-lock-rayner-rishi-b2409903.html


A sad blow for the Layabout Army, although I dare say that those of us who have worked hard and put aside a modest competence will
survive