Gaza

[Barry]

Well, Hamas carried out the attack. Aren't they allowed to give their side of the story, their reasons for carrying it out? Or is Free Speech only for one side?

Hamas are a proscribed terrorist organisation for a reason. They don't tell the truth.
They can speak if they like, but no one has to believe them. Except the BBC and you, apparently. The BBC are still trying to come to terms with their dangerous mistake of regurgitating Qatar and Hamas lies, which resulted in International protests, based on false information.
They need to take more care.

[Barry]

Do you count Israel as a democracy? A country which operates an apartheid system? I heard today how the IDF arrest children as young as 12 for minor incidents and hold them in prisons. On the other hand the settlers are free to carry weapons and kill Palestinians with impunity.
The rule of law obviously doesn't stretch to Israel, a country that is carrying out war crimes on an almost daily basis. If you are calling Hamas a terrorist organisation you cannot blindly accept that Israel is a pacifist, freedom loving country. Their actions since 7th October says different

Would you like to suggest what is a "Proportionate response" to the Simchat Torah Pogrom of 7th October?

I would say there isn't one. Israel need to wipe out their Hamas enemy as they are an existential threat.

[Barry]

I find it difficult to understand how a religion, whose people have suffered so much over the centuries, and especially during WWII, can support the genocide of the Palestinian people. The war did not begin on 7th October!

Your use of the term genocide is:
A. Incorrect
the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.
B. emotive nonsense.

[Nick]

Cheap shots as ever, as any spouter of utter bullshit will always resort to sooner or later. I have not had a drink for months. But hey ho, so fucking what. Who cares?

You have a history of posting whilst pissed and then apologising afterwards, if the cap fits!!

[Barry]

There you go, misrepresenting my views again. I have never said that I believe any claim that there was no massacre.
The guy said that they don't regard the illegal, armed, Israeli settlers as 'civilians'. The question follows, how many of the Festival attendees were settlers and thus, in the eyes of Hamas, were legitimate targets?
https://news.sky.com/video/hamas-official-tells-sky-news-the-group-hasnt-killed-any-civilians-in-israel-12981264

Incidentally, I didn't misrepresent you, you just need to learn English comprehension.

Now you are trying to victim blame the murdered in a Hamas inspired pogrom by suggesting they were "settlers". How can they be regarded as settlers, when that land has never been occupied by Palestinians?
And, don't forget, Israel made a very painful and unpopular withdrawal from Gaza in 2005. They left the borders open for trade, supplies and everything was OK for a while. It was called a "land for peace" deal.
The Gazans got their land. Then Hamas were voted in by the Gazans and started shooting rockets into Israel.
Israel then closed the borders until the rockets stopped.
You see the Gazans got their land, but they were not able to live in peace with their neighbours. 

[srb7677]

In the eyes of Hamas?  Well if anyone was still on the fence that should convince them to start doing the
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toDA6rZdPfA

I am minded to take the piss. But throwing stones from glass houses does spring to mind. After all, we are the nation of morris dancers. So I will just quietly snigger in the corner.

[srb7677]

Get yourself on a plane to India and speak to the people, Gandhi is roundly hated by Indians, but you carry on believing the BS sold to you. Like it or not Partition caused millions of deaths.

Clearly it is your day off and you've hit the sauce, not a good look.

Cheap shots as ever, as any spouter of utter bullshit will always resort to sooner or later. I have not had a drink for months. But hey ho, so fucking what. Who cares?

[morayloon]

Who's saying Israel is a wonderful and pacifistic country? I'm not, I believe we are discussing the events of 7th Oct

The roots of the problem goes back further than 7th October.

[morayloon]

Did you actually understand what I wrote? The BBC are now reporting that they got their initial story wrong but it's too late, the damage is done.

They added the Israeli denial as soon as it was made. The BBC was not the only organisation reporting as it happened, that is the nature of live tv. The Arab people have much to distrust the BBC about: not least the failure to give coverage of the Israeli blockade, the settler land grabs, the IDF incursions etc.. Until Hamas carried out their attack, reporting from the ME was particularly muted. 

[Nick]

Do you count Israel as a democracy? A country which operates an apartheid system? I heard today how the IDF arrest children as young as 12 for minor incidents and hold them in prisons. On the other hand the settlers are free to carry weapons and kill Palestinians with impunity.
The rule of law obviously doesn't stretch to Israel, a country that is carrying out war crimes on an almost daily basis. If you are calling Hamas a terrorist organisation you cannot blindly accept that Israel is a pacifist, freedom loving country. Their actions since 7th October says different

Who's saying Israel is a wonderful and pacifistic country? I'm not, I believe we are discussing the events of 7th Oct

[morayloon]

No, personally I wouldn't give them the oxygen to speak . We all know what their reasons are and it doesn't  make it any better however  many times they say it .

Free speech is a gift of Democracy and the rule of law , not to be abused and twisted by some death cult by Terrorists

Do you count Israel as a democracy? A country which operates an apartheid system? I heard today how the IDF arrest children as young as 12 for minor incidents and hold them in prisons. On the other hand the settlers are free to carry weapons and kill Palestinians with impunity.
The rule of law obviously doesn't stretch to Israel, a country that is carrying out war crimes on an almost daily basis. If you are calling Hamas a terrorist organisation you cannot blindly accept that Israel is a pacifist, freedom loving country. Their actions since 7th October says different

[Nick]

And the Arab people are right to be suspicious of the West's claim. After all, the USA has Israel's back. Dodgy dossier anyone?

Did you actually understand what I wrote? The BBC are now reporting that they got their initial story wrong but it's too late, the damage is done. 

[morayloon]

And as I already told you, the BBC reported that it was Israel in the Middle East, a region that hold the BBC in high regard. No amount of re-reporting is going to changes their minds, the damage is done.

And the Arab people are right to be suspicious of the West's claim. After all, the USA has Israel's back. Dodgy dossier anyone?

[Streetwalker]

Well, Hamas carried out the attack. Aren't they allowed to give their side of the story, their reasons for carrying it out? Or is Free Speech only for one side?

No, personally I wouldn't give them the oxygen to speak . We all know what their reasons are and it doesn't  make it any better however  many times they say it .

Free speech is a gift of Democracy and the rule of law , not to be abused and twisted by some death cult by Terrorists 

[Nick]

From someone who thinks GB News is impartial that is rich. The BBC reported the Israeli denial and reported the US and the UKs support for the Israelis in trying to debunk the Hamas accusations.
But, I will repeat, that is what they would be expected to come out with. Most of the objective, neutral countries have yet to decide who carried out the atrocity. Their hesitation? the dodgy dossier

And as I already told you, the BBC reported that it was Israel in the Middle East, a region that hold the BBC in high regard. No amount of re-reporting is going to changes their minds, the damage is done.