Tamworth and Midbedfordshire?

[patman post]

A Tory is someone who wants his or her laws made at Westminster. A remainer on the other hand, wants to be told what to do by Brussels and is just an arsehole.

That reads more the current definition of a dyed in the wool reactionary. 

Any real Tory worth their salt believes in their individual and the collective ability to thrive in, and help develop, a wider community for as many people as possible to enjoy. 

The elderly staid, withdrawing from the world and snuggling down comfortably in their potting sheds, and sniffing their own farts while being fed ideas by GB News in a fenced-off European off-shore Bhutan, are living a recipe for decline...

[Streetwalker]

You don't say what your idea of a Tory is.

Pretty Traditional for me . Small state , liberty and freedoms within a social structure . Defending our traditions ,family ,the rule of law and fiscal responsibility 

Many here appear to reckon it should be something like BNP and EDL shoehorned into Ukip or Reform, with nukes on the sidelines to rid ourselves of inconvenient third-worlders.

To be fair those parties have more conservative values than the conservatives do . I wouldn't go anywhere near the EDL but would have no qualms voting for any of the others if circumstances required it (which they have in the past). The more the country is pushed left the more inviting the right looks 

My ideal is based on the old Disraeli idea of one nation conservatism, founded as it was on the observed inequalities stemming from the industrial revolution...

Disraeli was a snob . He wanted to maintain the class system with everyone remaining in their place and knowing their obligations to society . That wasn't freedom or even conservatism it was serfdom 

[Borchester]

You don't say what your idea of a Tory is.

Many here appear to reckon it should be something like BNP and EDL shoehorned into Ukip or Reform, with nukes on the sidelines to rid ourselves of inconvenient third-worlders.

My ideal is based on the old Disraeli idea of one nation conservatism, founded as it was on the observed inequalities stemming from the industrial revolution...

A Tory is someone who wants his or her laws made at Westminster. A remainer on the other hand, wants to be told what to do by Brussels and is just an arsehole.

[patman post]

Well put it like this , they are more Tory than Sunak , to me anyway ,looking on from the right to see if anyone's coming my way .

I see nobody by the way , not yet .Me too , along with the poll tax , that would liven up the layabout army

You don't say what your idea of a Tory is.

Many here appear to reckon it should be something like BNP and EDL shoehorned into Ukip or Reform, with nukes on the sidelines to rid ourselves of inconvenient third-worlders.

My ideal is based on the old Disraeli idea of one nation conservatism, founded as it was on the observed inequalities stemming from the industrial revolution...

[Borchester]

The only thing she did wrong was to invent global warming.

Well yes, but that was only to fettle the miners and while Global Warming put the kibosh on them, it was all fantasy anyway.

To my way of thinking Maggie's biggest mistake was to try and reform the rates.

[Streetwalker]

Are/were Johnson and Truss Tories?

I don't think so, and they were certainly not followers of the One Nation Conservatism that caught my imagination when I began arguing politics with my dad twenty or more years ago. He is Labour and a staunch union member, and politically he still believes that ripping things out and replacing them is the way to go — I like the organic approach of Tory ideals which incorporates persuasion where possible, even to the point of paternalism and pragmatism and toughness when needed.

Thatcher had those qualities...

Well put it like this , they are more Tory than Sunak , to me anyway ,looking on from the right to see if anyone's coming my way . 

I see nobody by the way , not yet .

Thatcher was an enigma, and unfortunately never to be repeated. Oh what would I give to have her back!!

Me too , along with the poll tax , that would liven up the layabout army

[Nick]

Boris Johnson is now the 'Jeremy Corbyn' of the Tory Party.

So Tory voters stayed away in the 2 by-elections . . . or rather, people who normally vote Tory didn't come out to vote. So they can't be counted on to vote Tory in future, can they?

The enigma of Thatcher was that she was a strong and principled PM, but with disastrous policies.

The only thing she did wrong was to invent global warming. 

[HDQQ]

Boris was who we voted in, and we had no say about his exit. If Boris was back as PM the Tories would win the GE.

Boris Johnson is now the 'Jeremy Corbyn' of the Tory Party.

So Tory voters stayed away in the 2 by-elections . . . or rather, people who normally vote Tory didn't come out to vote. So they can't be counted on to vote Tory in future, can they?

The enigma of Thatcher was that she was a strong and principled PM, but with disastrous policies.

[Nick]

Are/were Johnson and Truss Tories?

I don't think so, and they were certainly not followers of the One Nation Conservatism that caught my imagination when I began arguing politics with my dad twenty or more years ago. He is Labour and a staunch union member, and politically he still believes that ripping things out and replacing them is the way to go — I like the organic approach of Tory ideals which incorporates persuasion where possible, even to the point of paternalism and pragmatism and toughness when needed.

Thatcher had those qualities...

Thatcher was an enigma, and unfortunately never to be repeated. Oh what would I give to have her back!!

[patman post]

Its gone nick , the tory leadership  have pissed off too many people .Even the tories have had enough of them . They got rid of anyone who wanted to be a Tory against the members wishes , Johnson was hounded out , Truss removed for having the audacity of having Tory policy's and the man the money men wanted installed as their puppet in number 10 .

Are/were Johnson and Truss Tories?

I don't think so, and they were certainly not followers of the One Nation Conservatism that caught my imagination when I began arguing politics with my dad twenty or more years ago. He is Labour and a staunch union member, and politically he still believes that ripping things out and replacing them is the way to go — I like the organic approach of Tory ideals which incorporates persuasion where possible, even to the point of paternalism and pragmatism and toughness when needed.

Thatcher had those qualities...

[Streetwalker]

Boris was who we voted in, and we had no say about his exit. If Boris was back as PM the Tories would win the GE.

As for the By-Election, the turn out was 30%, Tories simply didn't turn out, they will for a GE so no conclusion can be taken from that.

Its gone nick , the tory leadership  have pissed off too many people .Even the tories have had enough of them . They got rid of anyone who wanted to be a Tory against the members wishes , Johnson was hounded out , Truss removed for having the audacity of having Tory policy's and the man the money men wanted installed as their puppet in number 10 .

[Borchester]

Boris was who we voted in, and we had no say about his exit. If Boris was back as PM the Tories would win the GE.

As for the By-Election, the turn out was 30%, Tories simply didn't turn out, they will for a GE so no conclusion can be taken from that.

That is true, but the Tories have been trailing Labour by up to 20% in the opinion polls for the past year, so while these results were a surprise, I doubt that the Conservatives will find a general election a lot of fun either.

[Borchester]

Don't see Labour as having to do anything Posty . I see them as the reserve striker who has been sitting on the bench for 6 months .

The fans are getting pissed at the useless T@@@ that's playing up front and are calling for his removal from the team . They of course forget that they guy on the bench is there for a reason

So the fans get their way and soon realise the useless T@@@ wasn't so bad after all ,well not as useless as the one now playing anyway

So the fans start calling for an alternative as they don't want either of the useless twats they want a new striker .

That is a neat analogy.

[Streetwalker]

Problem is that Rishi Sunak is probably the best of a fairly crumby Tory bunch.

In a more perfect world, these two defeats should slap some realism into the Tories, subdue the party's divisive factions, and allow Sunak to replace dead wood in the administration so it can formulate policies the UK needs, and give it a chance of another five years in power.

As it is, if Labour plays its cards right, it will be the next government. And, looking on the brighter side, a couple of terms in opposition might allow the Conservatives to resume their real Tory ideals...

Don't see Labour as having to do anything Posty . I see them as the reserve striker who has been sitting on the bench for 6 months .

The fans are getting pissed at the useless T@@@ that's playing up front and are calling for his removal from the team . They of course forget that they guy on the bench is there for a reason 

So the fans get their way and soon realise the useless T@@@ wasn't so bad after all ,well not as useless as the one now playing anyway 

So the fans start calling for an alternative as they don't want either of the useless twats they want a new striker .

[Nick]

Boris was who we voted in, and we had no say about his exit. If Boris was back as PM the Tories would win the GE. 

As for the By-Election, the turn out was 30%, Tories simply didn't turn out, they will for a GE so no conclusion can be taken from that.