Just stop Oiliband

[Nick]

To be fair the build quality is famously crap and many promised features have yet to appear.

Personally I find they don't have enough headroom (though pretty much all cars are like this for me)

That said they are very efficient and were real trailblazers for electric cars.

Oh and the CEO is turning out to be a proper bellend

Was famously crap, head room I don't know as I've never driven one, but being 6'3" most cars do tend to cater for the vertically challenged. Then again, the Plaid is faster that an F1 car off the mark due to the fact electric motors can develop 100% torque at zero speed. Even my EQB is like the proverbial off a chrome shovel, but I absolutely detest it.

[papasmurf]

It's true that battery fires require differnt equipment than petrol fires, but then petrol fires require specialist equipment and cleanup anyway so it's just a different set of equioiment.

Newer battery chemistries like LFP and sodium based batteries are much less likely to catch fire. They are also cheaper.

Frankly EVs are only for rich people.

[BeElBeeBub]

You're just trying to shift the goalposts as usual, why are Tesla's no good? Apart from the fact they break down the same as other cars, and can set on fire same as other cars. Which NO, you will not put out. Most people don't know how to handle an overheating car let a lone one that's on fire.

To be fair the build quality is famously crap and many promised features have yet to appear. 

Personally I find they don't have enough headroom (though pretty much all cars are like this for me) 

That said they are very efficient and were real trailblazers for electric cars. 

Oh and the CEO is turning out to be a proper bellend

[BeElBeeBub]

The fires can be put out with petrol fires, it is next to impossible with electric cars. (Needs specialist kit.)

It's true that battery fires require differnt equipment than petrol fires, but then petrol fires require specialist equipment and cleanup anyway so it's just a different set of equioiment. 

Newer battery chemistries like LFP and sodium based batteries are much less likely to catch fire. They are also cheaper.

[Nick]

The fires can be put out with petrol fires, it is next to impossible with electric cars. (Needs specialist kit.)

You're just trying to shift the goalposts as usual, why are Tesla's no good? Apart from the fact they break down the same as other cars, and can set on fire same as other cars. Which NO, you will not put out. Most people don't know how to handle an overheating car let a lone one that's on fire. 

[papasmurf]

And ICE cars don't? It's called acceptable failure rate, and all brands have it.

The fires can be put out with petrol fires, it is next to impossible with electric cars. (Needs specialist kit.)

[Nick]

I know they catch fire and the autonomous driving system has faults.


All Reported Tesla Fires 🔥 | Tesla Fire (tesla-fire.com)


Tesla Autopilot Was Uniquely Risky—and May Still Be | WIRED

And ICE cars don't? It's called acceptable failure rate, and all brands have it. 

[srb7677]

It seems that our new energy secretary Ed (Bacon Sandwich) Miliband now wants to stop all oil and gas extraction from our own resources.
He's obviously a fan of Net Zero and Just Stop Oil.

I will admit to being in favour of clean air, and we do now have much cleaner air in the UK.

There is a problem - More than half of our energy requirements in this country are fulfilled by oil and gas and this cannot all be switched off without a viable alternative ALREADY IN PLACE. Otherwise we end up importing gas and oil which could be sourced locally. In global terms this increases the carbon footprint, not reducing it.

So, is this the start of the loony labour lefty's impression being stamped on Britain? If so, get your Calor gas stoves and heaters, and candles ready for this coming winter.

I have not followed this one closely so do correct me if I am wrong. But it is my understanding that they are not in any way ceasing the extraction of oil and gas from existing fields, merely refusing to issue licenses for further exploration and drilling. This would of course result in a gradual diminution of oil and gas extraction as existing fields run dry, but it would be gradual and not sudden, the obvious aim being to increase  our energy supplied from renewable sources gradually to allow for that.

And the fact remains that even if we did allow new fields to be exploited, this would only delay this source from running dry for a bit longer because the amount of oil and gas there to be extracted is finite, and the best and most easily exploitable fields are already in use.

So climate science aside, preparing for a future without North Sea oil and gas is essential anyway.

[papasmurf]

But as usual you HAVE to make a negative comment, even though you know nothing about Tesla's.

I know they catch fire and the autonomous driving system has faults. 


All Reported Tesla Fires 🔥 | Tesla Fire (tesla-fire.com)


Tesla Autopilot Was Uniquely Risky—and May Still Be | WIRED

[Nick]

I would never drive any EV. (I will never be able to afford one anyway.) My current car, a 2002 Toyota Yaris VVTi bought years ago second hand at a cost of £1000 has just gone through an MOT with no problems. Years of life left in it. It is very economic on E5 petrol.

But as usual you HAVE to make a negative comment, even though you know nothing about Tesla's. 

[papasmurf]

Have you ever driven one?

I would never drive any EV. (I will never be able to afford one anyway.) My current car, a 2002 Toyota Yaris VVTi bought years ago second hand at a cost of £1000 has just gone through an MOT with no problems. Years of life left in it. It is very economic on E5 petrol. 

[Nick]

They aren't good anyway:-


Tesla Statistics - Updated August 2024 | BuyaCar

• Tesla sold 3,152 cars in May 2024, an 8.35% decline from the same month last year (3,439). Tesla's market share for May 2024 was 2.13%, lower than May 2023's 2.37%.
• As of May 2024, Tesla has 1.97% share of the UK new car market.

Have you ever driven one? 

[BeElBeeBub]

It seems that our new energy secretary Ed (Bacon Sandwich) Miliband now wants to stop all oil and gas extraction from our own resources.
He's obviously a fan of Net Zero and Just Stop Oil.

I will admit to being in favour of clean air, and we do now have much cleaner air in the UK.

There is a problem - More than half of our energy requirements in this country are fulfilled by oil and gas and this cannot all be switched off without a viable alternative ALREADY IN PLACE. Otherwise we end up importing gas and oil which could be sourced locally. In global terms this increases the carbon footprint, not reducing it.

So, is this the start of the loony labour lefty's impression being stamped on Britain? If so, get your Calor gas stoves and heaters, and candles ready for this coming winter.

We already generate more electricity from zero carbon (wind, solar, hydro, nuclear etc) than fossil fuels. 

By fossil fuels we mean gas. Coal is less than 1% and oil is near zero.

The energy security argument for drilling is a bit of a red herring. Unless we restrict exports ie withdraw from the international energy markets, the price of gas extracted in the UK will follow the price of gas world wide. You cannot force extractors to sell to the UK at a lower price than they would get on the open market.

That said - storage of gas is important and we should increase that drastically. IIRC Germany has someting like 3 months of winter supply stored. The UK has a storage measured in days. 

If the government were to build and operate the stores as a strategic national reserve then we woikd have a case.

We already have enough fossil fuel generating capacity for our needs. What we need to do is build out our wind/solar etc capacity so we are using the gas generation less and less until. It is only on the low sun and wind days. Crucially, this means maintaining the plants even when they are rarely used. 

We don't need to extract more fossil fuels - we need to upgrade our distribution and storage (new grid infrastructure, home batteries etc) and build out more zero carbon capacity.

I read about an energy tariff structure used outside Europe that may be interesting. 

It's. Similar to free phone minutes. Your energy costs per unit are different based on consumption. So 1st block of energy is charged at 1.rage, the next at a higher rate and so on. 

So (for example) you coukd have 5kwh free a day, then 10p for the next 5kwh,. 20p for the next and so on. 

The interesting thing is you coild vary the blocks for each consumer. Say pensioners get an extra 5kwh free in the winter. Or if you are register low income and in poor rented accommodation, you could get more free kwh or lower unit prices. 

To go further, specific areas could get extra blocks to compensate them for infrastructure. Say there is a plan to buikd pylons or turbines in your area. Maybe everyone on the area gets an extra 2kwh free block or something. 

[papasmurf]

Well, I wonder what Elon Musk's recent outbursts will do for Tesla sales in UK.

They aren't good anyway:-


Tesla Statistics - Updated August 2024 | BuyaCar

• Tesla sold 3,152 cars in May 2024, an 8.35% decline from the same month last year (3,439). Tesla's market share for May 2024 was 2.13%, lower than May 2023's 2.37%.
• As of May 2024, Tesla has 1.97% share of the UK new car market.

[HDQQ]

It was inevitable.  And for them, it's not about clean air.  Expect some of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEy9aM9g6Jk

Well, I wonder what Elon Musk's recent outbursts will do for Tesla sales in UK.