How a Violent Government Bureaucracy Killed Hundreds and Hid the Evidence

[Unlucky4Sum]

As you have not read the book and the hundreds of links in it, frankly you are blowing hot air from a position of ignorance.

I don't have to read the book, it's got a big fat lie on the cover about violence and that means every page after is devalued down to junk level.

Maybe you thought no one would notice your pathetic failure to justify that word 'violent'.  Well you were wrong on that too.

[Nick]

The book is a collation of links that are public domain. The collation is the result of over 30 years of the Benefits Agency/ DWP using a fatally flawed test for fitness for work, that was subject to a successful class action against Unum Provident  for wrongfully denying legitimate claims on their medical insurance.
Despite that Peter Lilley got into bed with Unum used that discredited test and it is still being used.
That is fact not fiction and hundreds if not thousands have died because of it. 700 suicides on Ian Duncan Smith time at the DWP. That is documented fact.
It is a national scandal.
If you cannot be bothered to read the book you are in no positions to criticise it.

People don't commit suicide because of benefits, they commit suicide due to mental health issues, and that is not the DWP's responsibility. 

[papasmurf]

You won't answer the question because you won't admit you are wrong.  You post media articles, and think it proves something, completely ignoring that the media is biased and deceitful.  I'm not going to bother looking at this "book" because I've no doubt it's just as unreliable as the media.

The book is a collation of links that are public domain. The collation is the result of over 30 years of the Benefits Agency/ DWP using a fatally flawed test for fitness for work, that was subject to a successful class action against Unum Provident  for wrongfully denying legitimate claims on their medical insurance.
Despite that Peter Lilley got into bed with Unum used that discredited test and it is still being used.
That is fact not fiction and hundreds if not thousands have died because of it. 700 suicides on Ian Duncan Smith time at the DWP. That is documented fact.
It is a national scandal. 
If you cannot be bothered to read the book you are in no positions to criticise it.

[Scott777]

Even many Tories thought the system was rather cruel and unfair, hence why they scrapped the tests

"Even the Tories"?  The Tories are the conservative face of globalism, while Labour are the socialist face of globalism.  Globalists want everyone dependant on state income (ultimately social credit), to control them.

[Scott777]

I am afraid the brainwashed view has applied to politicians and civil servants for over 30 years. A lot of people have died because of it. (Hence the collated material in the book which they cannot deny. Collective selective amnesia just does not cut it.)

You won't answer the question because you won't admit you are wrong.  You post media articles, and think it proves something, completely ignoring that the media is biased and deceitful.  I'm not going to bother looking at this "book" because I've no doubt it's just as unreliable as the media.

[papasmurf]

He's a liar.

And you have pathetically failed to defend his misuse of the word 'violent' for financial gain.

How do you (and he) sleep nights knowing how you drag the cause of the disabled into disrepute with these false claims?

As you have not read the book and the hundreds of links in it, frankly you are blowing hot air from a position of ignorance.

[Unlucky4Sum]

I suggest call him a liar and you will get sued. It is collated evidence of the use of a totally sham "medical" first used by Unum Provident to deny legal claims for medical insurance. Unum were successfully sued in a class action because of the use of the sham medical. Despite that Peter Lilley "got into bed" with the CEO of Unum and the Benefits Agency/DWP has been using that sham system for 30 years and thousands of people have died or committed suicide as a result. Mansel Aylward (now deceased,) was the designer of that sham system and carried out what can only be called brain washing sessions for UK Politicians of all mainstream parties and civil servants.
That is all detailed and referenced in the book. It is NOT a work of fiction it is evidence.
It is a very big national scandal, that was bound to come to light despite DWP efforts to cover it up.

He's a liar.

And you have pathetically failed to defend his misuse of the word 'violent' for financial gain.

How do you (and he) sleep nights knowing how you drag the cause of the disabled into disrepute with these false claims?

[Borg Refinery]

Well no worries Papa, there's nothing new there about you not reading your own links before spamming them to people, the Tory Home Secretary clearly doesn't speak for his own party at the top level of govt and neither did Ted Heath who was a Tory leader - he's the one who said he "wanted nothing to do with them" as head of a Tory youth association

[papasmurf]

How does it not reference Tories in the way I stated? It references them exactly as I stated and says one of them "wanted nothing to do with them"

I can find no such Conservatives wanted nothing to do with them word searching both links.

[Borg Refinery]

I am currently "hanging fire," and waiting to see what they actually do. If they do not sort out the DWP which has frankly become a pariah department. (Which Stephen Timms is fully aware of, after his time on the Work and Pensions Committee.) There will be a coordinated and vociferous protest.

Well no worries, using the misinformation laws and draconian crackdown on free speech and on protest which you approve of, they will just shut down the protest and arrest all of these pariahs anyway

[Borg Refinery]

Because I had read it when it first appeared. It did not reference Conservatives in way you stated. Any allegations against Brittan and Heath remain unproven.

How does it not reference Tories in the way I stated? It references them exactly as I stated and says one of them "wanted nothing to do with them"

[papasmurf]

But you just admitted tacitly you didn't read your own link in another thread? You said it didn't reference Tories but it referenced Leon Brittan and Ted Heath, among others?

Because I had read it when it first appeared. It did not reference Conservatives in way you stated. Any allegations against Brittan and Heath remain unproven.

[Borg Refinery]

But you just admitted tacitly you didn't read your own link in another thread? You said it didn't reference Tories but it referenced Leon Brittan and Ted Heath, among others?

This is why people don't bother because they know it's a waste of time when you don't even read your own links

[papasmurf]

What makes you think they are actually going to bother reading your book?

You don't even read your own links, as you just proved to the whole forum, so why should anyone read your book?

It is other not reading links who are the problem.
It is NOT my book. (Although I have been in contact with the author over many years.) They will be pestered to read it, due to the nature of it. (I have already emailed my MP, and will be emailing government ministers, as will many others.)

[papasmurf]

Agreed, because they are Tories MKIII, I personally don't like to make excuses for them though

I am currently "hanging fire," and waiting to see what they actually do. If they do not sort out the DWP which has frankly become a pariah department. (Which Stephen Timms is fully aware of, after his time on the Work and Pensions Committee.) There will be a coordinated and vociferous protest.