Time for change?

[Unlucky4Sum]

No, I a merely puzzled as to why you seem to imply there is some sinister plot by the ONS.

I said no such thing.

[papasmurf]

Are you deliberately missing the point here?

No, I a merely puzzled as to why you seem to imply there is some sinister plot by the ONS.

[Unlucky4Sum]

All spreadsheet data uses a formula, there is nothing sinister about that.

Are you deliberately missing the point here?

[papasmurf]

So you don't realise that those death rates EG in table 8 are produced by formulae?  And that the obvious place to have those formulae would have been in that spreadsheet? 

All spreadsheet data uses a formula, there is nothing sinister about that.

[Unlucky4Sum]

What formula? It is merely collated death data. Public domain, published regularly.

So you don't realise that those death rates EG in table 8 are produced by formulae?  And that the obvious place to have those formulae would have been in that spreadsheet? 

[Barry]

One of the factors that I remember most about the death statistics was the average age of those who died with Covid, compared to the average age of people dying, in general.
They were the same, which I believed showed it was not Covid killing people, but underlying co-morbidities.
How many healthy people were killed solely by the virus? Not enough to lower the average age of death for the with Covid group.

[papasmurf]

There's data sets for longer durations here:  https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland

I picked the one that seemed to match Papasmurf's chart.

An annoying feature of these ONS spreadsheets is they reduce all the cells to just data or text so you can't easily review the formulae they use.  You just have to trust them.

What formula? It is merely collated death data. Public domain, published regularly.

[Unlucky4Sum]

There's data sets for longer durations here:  https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland

I picked the one that seemed to match Papasmurf's chart.

An annoying feature of these ONS spreadsheets is they reduce all the cells to just data or text so you can't easily review the formulae they use.  You just have to trust them.

[Barry]

here's the link to all the data behind those mortality rates https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland/deathsoccurringbetween2januaryand24september2021/datasetfinalcorrected3.xlsx
They analysed tens of thousands of deaths

TAble 8 is pretty devastating to those that argue against vaccination

I'm not capable of taking in a wall of figures in an excel file. I'm not doubting there is masses of data there, but I can't process it.
I'm sure others can.

EDIT:
I've seen table 8 now and agree that there  appears to be a significant difference in mortality between jabbed and unjabbed.

[Scott777]

When we're discussing Covid vaccines then your posts on the matter do make you an anti vaxxer

And maybe you forget you posted this

Oh, sure, so my post "Some are junk, some not so much," that shows I'm an anti-vaxer.  🤣  That's funny, cos it sounds like exactly the opposite.  Jesus, it really is like talking to a 5 year-old.

[Unlucky4Sum]

That graphic cover less than 1000 deaths, but there were 66.000 deaths attributed to Covid during that period in the UK according to this:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
So the data could have been cherry picked.

here's the link to all the data behind those mortality rates https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland/deathsoccurringbetween2januaryand24september2021/datasetfinalcorrected3.xlsx
They analysed tens of thousands of deaths

TAble 8 is pretty devastating to those that argue against vaccination

[Scott777]

Being unvaccinated do kill them which is why posted that link.

Yeah, sure it does.      Seriously, now I understand it's not possible for you to understand simple things, and a waste of time engaging with you.

[Barry]

What a ridiculous statement. Far more died from Covid who were unvaccinated.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDGSWswXMAAhUvk?format=png&name=small

That graphic cover less than 1000 deaths, but there were 66.000 deaths attributed to Covid during that period in the UK according to this:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
So the data could have been cherry picked.

[Unlucky4Sum]

That's false, I never said it was given as an experiment, I said it was an experimental substance, and you still have not provided a single bit of evidence to show otherwise.

It's also false that I'm an anti-vaxer, as I have never criticised any vaccines beyond the Covid jabs.

Are there any more false claims you'd like to make, such as aliens have landed and want us all to chop off our legs to protect us from too much freedom?

When we're discussing Covid vaccines then your posts on the matter do make you an anti vaxxer

And maybe you forget you posted this

I'm not sure what the required IQ is to understand that there are different vaccines, but I thought it would be fairly low.  Some are junk, some not so much.  However, the NHS did lie, as did vaccinators which the NHS provided, and there are recordings of them lying, saying the Covid junk was not experimental, when it was.  . . .

[papasmurf]

Being unvaccinated did not kill them, so you are comparing apples and pears by comparing deaths from the jab with deaths in absence of the jab. It's just not a meaningful comparison.

Being unvaccinated do kill them which is why posted that link.