Bojo Calls For Referendum On Leaving ECHR

[Unlucky4Sum]

No one here has conflated either one, maybe some do elsewhere, but then leaving one without the other means the Brexit agenda will be foiled. . . .

Surely the 'Brexit agenda' was taking back control over immigration and product legislation and of course getting back that money we sent the EU.

Don't need to leave the ECnHR to get that.

[Unlucky4Sum]

Wrong again, it was where he was talking about not trusting foreign courts.
Never mentioned ECHR.

The full post of his you quoted was

I'm all for leaving the ECHR, but there's not a chance of getting that through parliament, with these goons in charge of the country.

Foreign courts do not act in the interests of our country.

If that's not mentioning the ECHR what is?

[Barry]

Unfettered Neoliberalism

Which matches the EU objectives. Almost as if there was a greater hand in play.

[Borg Refinery]

I have yet to determine what their agenda is.

Unfettered Neoliberalism

[Nick]

That would be the post where he was talking about the ECHR

Wrong again, it was where he was talking about not trusting foreign courts. 

Foreign courts do not act in the interests of our country.

Never mentioned ECHR. 

[papasmurf]

Personally, with Labour/Starmer's ratings being as they are, I can see things rapidly going in their direction seeing as their agenda seems to be taking off like a storm

I have yet to determine what their agenda is.

[Borg Refinery]

No one here has conflated either one, maybe some do elsewhere, but then leaving one without the other means the Brexit agenda will be foiled.

Personally, with Labour/Starmer's ratings being as they are, I can see things rapidly going in their direction seeing as their agenda seems to be taking off like a storm

[Unlucky4Sum]

We are talking about foreign courts and talking about more than simply the ECHR.

Of course it's relevant, leaving the EU but not the ECHR has been a big impediment to implementing their Brexit agenda so why wouldn't they? That is the whole point of Boris's announcements

That's only because so many pro Brexiters either deliberately or inanely conflated the EU with the ECtHR.  And of course just didn't accept the whole concept of human rights in the first place.

[Borg Refinery]

What's the relevance of EU law to a thread about the ECHR?

We are talking about foreign courts and talking about more than simply the ECHR.

Of course it's relevant, leaving the EU but not the ECHR has been a big impediment to implementing their Brexit agenda so why wouldn't they? That is the whole point of Boris's announcements

[Borg Refinery]

That would be the post where he was talking about the ECHR

He specifically pointed out he was referring to this bit in Barry's post:

Foreign courts do not act in the interests of our country.

[Unlucky4Sum]

Yes, I assume you were referring to the ECJ perhaps? You didn't specify the ECHR and were talking about the City of London taking France and Germany to court.

What's funny to me is that the EU itself took Germany to court over ignoring the primacy of EU law.

Guardian

Germany is actually the largest breaker of EU rules too - link

I'm pretty sure when folks tell us there will be disaster and a run on the pound, most of the time, it can't be true because the countries that mostly hold the EU together [the likes of France and Germany] regularly ignore international law, EU law and other agreements and such without too huge a consequence. Not that that makes it right, of course.

What's the relevance of EU law to a thread about the ECHR?

[Unlucky4Sum]

I was responding to Barry's post where he said foreign courts do not act in the UK's interest, nothing to do with ECHR. You're always looking for a fight.

That would be the post where he was talking about the ECHR

[Borg Refinery]

I was responding to Barry's post where he said foreign courts do not act in the UK's interest, nothing to do with ECHR. You're always looking for a fight.

Yes, I assume you were referring to the ECJ perhaps? You didn't specify the ECHR and were talking about the City of London taking France and Germany to court.

What's funny to me is that the EU itself took Germany to court over ignoring the primacy of EU law.

Brussels has launched a legal case against Germany over an alleged breach of "the principle of the primacy of EU law" by the country's constitutional court.

The "infringement proceeding" is the result of a ruling last year by the German federal constitutional court in Karlsruhe which it is claimed undermined the pre-eminence of the European court of justice (ECJ).

The German court had contradicted the ECJ by instructing Berlin to delay approval of a European Central Bank multi-trillion-euro bond-buying programme due to concerns that it was straying into financing member states, something it claimed was not permitted under EU founding treaties.

The constitutional court later ruled that the bond-buying could proceed, but in a statement on Wednesday the European Commission said the initial decision set "a dangerous precedent for [European] Union law, both for the practice of the German constitutional court itself, and for the supreme and constitutional courts and tribunals of other member states".

Guardian

Germany is actually the largest breaker of EU rules too - link

I'm pretty sure when folks tell us there will be disaster and a run on the pound, most of the time, it can't be true because the countries that mostly hold the EU together [the likes of France and Germany] regularly ignore international law, EU law and other agreements and such without too huge a consequence. Not that that makes it right, of course.

[Borg Refinery]

That's because Boris was shown the facts and realised if he was going to deliver his election promise of leaving pronto he had to do a deal and quicker.  Which he did, hence the TCA.  But the TCA requires us to adhere to the ECnHR.

Other countries break international agreements and laws all the time, it doesn't necessarily equate to a run on the pound or other disaster scenarios, just saying. It's not my ideal outcome either, but it doesn't spell disaster necessarily, that's my only real point.

The ECHR could probably do with quite a lot of reform, at minimum.

[Nick]

No you mentioned 'EU Court' which is irrelevant to the ECnHR that Boris is calling a referendum about.  And the judgement body for the ECnHR is the ECtHR.

So you're wrong, I did read it

I was responding to Barry's post where he said foreign courts do not act in the UK's interest, nothing to do with ECHR. You're always looking for a fight.