More non believers in UK - how sad.

[Barry]

Sorry that just a cop-out. You don't accept that the universe is eternal but then put God in there as eternal because the universe must have had a creator. And the argument goes back to the beginning, so who created God... To which you say he has always existed, but you don't accept that the universe always existed.  Hypocrisy at its finest I'm afraid. If I started a legal case that the existence of God cannot be proven I would win and that's a fact.

It's the biblical view, and the Bible is, in my opinion, God's Word. I prefer it over your accusations of hypocrisy.
Good luck with your legal case.

[Unlucky4Sum]

Go and argue with the experts, I'm not wasting my time arguing with you.

Well you wasted everyone's time by not reading what was being posted.

Your diagram does not answer my question, awkwardly positioning some sort of creator would. Not the only possible answer, I'll remain agnostic.

[Nick]

No one said humans haven't evolved, as a species we clearly have but all within that same 46 chromosomes bound.

How do you explain how the species supposedly evolved into existence from species with different chromosome numbers?
 

Go and argue with the experts, I'm not wasting my time arguing with you.

[Streetwalker]

I haven't got the time to debate with someone that just says the opposite of what someone else says for the sake of it.

Saying humans haven't evolved isn't even a conversation piece, it's just argumentative.

But can't both be true ,that we evolved from lower beings but only became conscious of God as our minds developed with a spiritual awareness ?
I'm no believer of the Middle eastern version of God but civilisations around the world all have something , some creator ,spirits or higher beings from way back in time before they even intermingled . They can't all be wrong , its a lot more logical that they are all right .

So for me God does exist , mankind though just hasn't worked out what God is yet

[Unlucky4Sum]

I haven't got the time to debate with someone that just says the opposite of what someone else says for the sake of it.

Saying humans haven't evolved isn't even a conversation piece, it's just argumentative.

No one said humans haven't evolved, as a species we clearly have but all within that same 46 chromosomes bound.

How do you explain how the species supposedly evolved into existence from species with different chromosome numbers?
 

[Nick]

As ever Nick you really hate debate don't you.

I haven't got the time to debate with someone that just says the opposite of what someone else says for the sake of it.

Saying humans haven't evolved isn't even a conversation piece, it's just argumentative.

[Unlucky4Sum]

As ever Nick you really hate debate don't you.

[Nick]

Of course it cannot be proven but equally it can't be proved there isn't some creator.

There just isn't enough time for the human species to have evolved to its 46 chromosomes form through evolution, so how did we get here?

I don't have the time nor the crayons to explain it to you. You carry on with your delusion that humans haven't evolved from a lower order. 🙄 

[Unlucky4Sum]

Sorry that just a cop-out. You don't accept that the universe is eternal but then put God in there as eternal because the universe must have had a creator. And the argument goes back to the beginning, so who created God... To which you say he has always existed, but you don't accept that the universe always existed.  Hypocrisy at its finest I'm afraid. If I started a legal case that the existence of God cannot be proven I would win and that's a fact.

Of course it cannot be proven but equally it can't be proved there isn't some creator.

There just isn't enough time for the human species to have evolved to its 46 chromosomes form through evolution, so how did we get here?

[Unlucky4Sum]

I have no proof.

However, if I showed you an A380 aircraft and said that it all happened by chance, you would call me mad.
All life is more complicated than an A380, and that did not happen by itself either.
I believe God designed and created it all. That's where faith comes in.

You and I have many differences but faith is something I always admire. 

(BTW if you've ever seen the wiring inside an A380 you might wonder if it was actually the work of a devil.)

[T00ts]

Sorry that just a cop-out. You don't accept that the universe is eternal but then put God in there as eternal because the universe must have had a creator. And the argument goes back to the beginning, so who created God... To which you say he has always existed, but you don't accept that the universe always existed.  Hypocrisy at its finest I'm afraid. If I started a legal case that the existence of God cannot be proven I would win and that's a fact.

To be fair your demand for irrefutable proof is just as much of a cop-out. The question might be that if we were able to give you that kind of proof would you still find some excuse not to believe? I fear so. That is the hurdle that we all need to overcome.
I think we have to accept that as mere mortals we are incapable of understanding everything. I see no reason to suppose that our God himself was not at one time mortal like us and experienced human life as we do. I haven't a clue what that truth is and frankly it doesn't bother me because I trust that during eternity all things will be made known to all those who prove worthy. How many of us can honestly say that we fully understand something that we can see? Like space for instance. We can see the sky and have scientific evidence to 'prove' it but while scientists continuously say that they have found the ultimate answer to something inevitably within a few years they find they had hardly touched the surface. Knowledge comes at a pace that we are able to deal with it.

Just today I came across a video which is quite interesting. It doesn't fit with everything that I so far understand but goes some way to give an explanation of sorts that is outside the sphere of most people's knowledge. At normal speed it's about 39mins if you can be bothered.

Youtube Video

[Nick]

God is eternal. Is, was and forever shall be.

Sorry that just a cop-out. You don't accept that the universe is eternal but then put God in there as eternal because the universe must have had a creator. And the argument goes back to the beginning, so who created God... To which you say he has always existed, but you don't accept that the universe always existed.  Hypocrisy at its finest I'm afraid. If I started a legal case that the existence of God cannot be proven I would win and that's a fact.

[Barry]

So now let's say God is the A380, did that A380 happen by chance or is there another God behind the first one that created your God. How many times do we have to go back to the original creator before we acknowledge that we just don't know?

God is eternal. Is, was and forever shall be.

[Nick]

I have no proof.

However, if I showed you an A380 aircraft and said that it all happened by chance, you would call me mad.
All life is more complicated than an A380, and that did not happen by itself either.
I believe God designed and created it all. That's where faith comes in.

So now let's say God is the A380, did that A380 happen by chance or is there another God behind the first one that created your God. How many times do we have to go back to the original creator before we acknowledge that we just don't know?

[Barry]

I get that Barry, and as you know I respect your faith 100%, I just don't believe, and there is nothing you can point me at that will change that. The fact you use the word faith says to me that you have no proof either.

I have no proof.

However, if I showed you an A380 aircraft and said that it all happened by chance, you would call me mad.
All life is more complicated than an A380, and that did not happen by itself either.
I believe God designed and created it all. That's where faith comes in.