Brexit post virus?

[Thomas]

I've seen a few what felt at the time like near apocalyptic events. I was in Belfast during the hunger strikes when it felt like law and order was on the verge of complete break down. I was in Germany in 1983 when it felt like full scale nuclear war was going to break out any day. I remember seeing the pitch black skies over Kuwait after Saddams soldiers had set the oil wells ablaze and it felt like the whole world was on fire. Those things all felt scary, but we all got on with ours jobs, because we fecking well HAD to, and somehow, the world never ended. Sometimes, that's all you can do.



I understand people are afraid. I understand why those who are elderly, or who have loved ones in poor health are scared and frightened. I understand we are in uncharted territory and that our lives are going to be disrupted. But we will come out the other side. In these situations, we should act on facts and best information, and what worries me is that those advocating nilhist measures like shutting society down completely have no real idea of what damage they will cause down the line, because they are reacting to fear, not hard facts. What we need most right now is facts and level heads.

again i completely agree.



I sympathise wth both the scottish and uk governments trying to find that fine balance between all sides. I have absolutely no time for all these doomongers convinced that locking down society is the only way forward and spreading complete fear and mass hysteria in the process.

[Thomas]

Well, the thing is, Britain [size=200]was[/size] forced as part of the Maastricht and Lisbon treaties to open our borders.



The 1957 Treaty of Rome, as I have pointed out many times, did not grant access to all. It declared that [size=100]PRIVATE[/size] companies, and ONLY Private Companies, NOT Public Corporations, were able to make job offers to citizens of he other EEC nation states but it also declared that such could be withdrawn at any time, and for as long as was needed, by any country whose government felt such policies impacted their economy to a degree they did not welcome.



Maastricht and Lisbon did away with that and gave us the shambles we voted to put an end to. Had Cameron done what he promised our borders would have been sealed years before this bloody virus popped its head up.

John you cant have a disussion with some of these people.



Im being lectured on one of the scottish forums at this very minute by a labour luvvie telling me that the people emptying asda govans shelves of bog rolls arent socialists , but centre right capitalists.Asda govan. :roll: FFS!



People like quackers as we have seen over the years dont care about the cut and thrust of debate , the pros and cons of an argument , the morals behind someones thought , they only care they get their own way over stuff like brexit. If they dont , they go into a sulk and blame everything foevermore on brexit , scottish indy or anything else that doesnt suit their fancy.



Im sure anyone lying in their beds at this moment with a headache , sore throat sore arms and dry cough are sitting thinking of coronavirus being one of the ironies of brexit in quakcers fantasy world.



In the real world , they will be reaching over for the night nurse and strepsils not giving a feck about the politics of the situation.

[DeppityDawg]

brilliant song so that is. funny enough my brother in law in france just posted that on facebook. ::



Deppity , the same cants who were talking about manning the barricades over brexit to stay in the eu and fighting in the trenches to remain are now panic buying everything in sight down asda in a strong display of that fighting spirit famous during the world wars.



Im trying desperately not to make light of peoples fears , we are all worried , but to witness the state of some of these holier than thou cants who were lecturing the world mere weeks ago over brexit or transgender rights is unbelievable.

I've seen a few what felt at the time like near apocalyptic events. I was in Belfast during the hunger strikes when it felt like law and order was on the verge of complete break down. I was in Germany in 1983 when it felt like full scale nuclear war was going to break out any day. I remember seeing the pitch black skies over Kuwait after Saddams soldiers had set the oil wells ablaze and it felt like the whole world was on fire. Those things all felt scary, but we all got on with ours jobs, because we fecking well HAD to, and somehow, the world never ended. Sometimes, that's all you can do.



I understand people are afraid. I understand why those who are elderly, or who have loved ones in poor health are scared and frightened. I understand we are in uncharted territory and that our lives are going to be disrupted. But we will come out the other side. In these situations, we should act on facts and best information, and what worries me is that those advocating nilhist measures like shutting society down completely have no real idea of what damage they will cause down the line, because they are reacting to fear, not hard facts. What we need most right now is facts and level heads.

[johnofgwent]

The coronavirus catastrophe, as it spreads through Europe is currently highlighting one of the ironies of Brexit.  



Note: I feel it would be inappropriate for me to post this in the covid-19 sub-forum, which should really only be about terrible situation that is threatening us all.



Brexit was supposed to be all about taking back control from the EU.  Yet in the coronavirus outbreak several EU member states are closing their borders and some are bringing in lockdown policies and other placing severe restrictions on public gatherings. No hint of the EU being either the mastermind behind this or trying to obstruct the policies of member states.  The Italian government imposed the lockdown there, the Spanish one the same in Spain.  The Irish and French governments are responsible for introducing the restrictions in their countries, just like our government should be doing here but is lagging behind although they are moving in the right direction, but far too slowly.

Well, the thing is, Britain [size=200]was[/size] forced as part of the Maastricht and Lisbon treaties to open our borders.



The 1957 Treaty of Rome, as I have pointed out many times, did not grant access to all. It declared that [size=100]PRIVATE[/size] companies, and ONLY Private Companies, NOT Public Corporations, were able to make job offers to citizens of he other EEC nation states but it also declared that such could be withdrawn at any time, and for as long as was needed, by any country whose government felt such policies impacted their economy to a degree they did not welcome.



Maastricht and Lisbon did away with that and gave us the shambles we voted to put an end to. Had Cameron done what he promised our borders would have been sealed years before this bloody virus popped its head up.

[Thomas]

brilliant song so that is. funny enough my brother in law in france just posted that on facebook. ::



Deppity , the same cants who were talking about manning the barricades over brexit to stay in the eu and fighting in the trenches to remain are now panic buying everything in sight down asda in a strong display of that fighting spirit famous during the world wars.



Im trying desperately not to make light of peoples fears , we are all worried , but to witness the state of some of these holier than thou cants who were lecturing the world mere weeks ago over brexit or transgender rights is unbelievable.

[DeppityDawg]

Honestly deppity you should see the state of some of these cants. Have you seen that petition demanding the government close down eveything?



https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/301397">https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/301397



Feckin pathetic.



Well done to the scottish and uk governments for trying to steer a calm and level headed approach through this crises , and not buckling into knee jerk reactions to soothe the fears of the bed wetting luvvies in the labour and liberal parties.

[Thomas]

It's madness in the supermarkets. I dropped of a family member at the train station yesterday after they visited us for a week and earlier in the day my wife was worrying about running out of loo rolls so I thought Amazon must have some I'll get some on there, they'll be here tomorrow. A couple of packs of 24 andrex were going from £50 to £150  :shock:



Sod that we've plenty of old newspaper  



So I called in Morrisons and Tesco on way back from station and not a roll to be had, shelves totally empty.



So I tried home bargains and just as I went in a guy came round with a trolley to restock the empty shelves, a couple of packs of 24 secured for £3.99 each. The worlds gone mad.



Talking of Tesco we use then for an online grocery shop every week. I book a delivery slot on Tuesday for a Thursday delivery every week. Last Tuesday I log on and no slots available until Saturday, oh will Saturday it is. It seems loads are signing up to online shopping and booking all slots way in advance, mass hysteria seems to be setting in and many seem to be trying to take advantage.

have you seen those pictures on facebook taking the piss greg?



One is a guy in a spacesuit saying do you want anything from the shops im just popping down fur a wee bit , the other is vin diesel the actor and a load of fast cars chasing an andrex lorry?



You have to laugh. :roll:  ::

[Thomas]

Its on days like this I miss the "thanks" button, Thomas  ::

Honestly deppity you should see the state of some of these cants. Have you seen that petition demanding the government close down eveything?



https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/301397">https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/301397



Feckin pathetic.



Well done to the scottish and uk governments for trying to steer a calm and level headed approach through this crises , and not buckling into knee jerk reactions to soothe the fears of the bed wetting luvvies in the labour and liberal parties.

[GregB]

It's madness in the supermarkets. I dropped of a family member at the train station yesterday after they visited us for a week and earlier in the day my wife was worrying about running out of loo rolls so I thought Amazon must have some I'll get some on there, they'll be here tomorrow. A couple of packs of 24 andrex were going from £50 to £150  :shock:



Sod that we've plenty of old newspaper  



So I called in Morrisons and Tesco on way back from station and not a roll to be had, shelves totally empty.



So I tried home bargains and just as I went in a guy came round with a trolley to restock the empty shelves, a couple of packs of 24 secured for £3.99 each. The worlds gone mad.



Talking of Tesco we use then for an online grocery shop every week. I book a delivery slot on Tuesday for a Thursday delivery every week. Last Tuesday I log on and no slots available until Saturday, oh will Saturday it is. It seems loads are signing up to online shopping and booking all slots way in advance, mass hysteria seems to be setting in and many seem to be trying to take advantage.

[papasmurf]

These cants spreading rumours and hysteria terrifying the auld folk need shot.

Quite, as should the people panic buying a gross of bog rolls.

[DeppityDawg]

Its on days like this I miss the "thanks" button, Thomas  ::

[Thomas]

The hand sanitiser appears to be being "lost in transit," (Stolen and being resold at high prices on E-bay.)

Given the panic buying and theft, the government needs to bring in rationing urgently.

Well , the wife was saying on the local facebook selling page there are folk selling 80 pence supermarket hand sanitiser for £4.99 a bottle.



On the one hand you get the richard branson fantasists who think they are going to make millions out of a crises , and on the other you have folk believing everything they read on social media  , panic buying and going into lockdown because they fear it s the zombie apocalypse.



These cants spreading rumours and hysteria terrifying the auld folk need shot.

[papasmurf]

The same cants who are going on forums trying to whip up a frenzy of fear will be the first ones down aldi and lidl panic buying bog rolls and shoving the auld folk out the way to get to the hand sanitiser.

The hand sanitiser appears to be being "lost in transit," (Stolen and being resold at high prices on E-bay.)

Given the panic buying and theft, the government needs to bring in rationing urgently.

[Thomas]

The comment of the day yesterday was on one of the scottish sites where someone said in argument over coronavirus "yer maw has seen mair helmets than adolf hitler."



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[Thomas]

I think the comparison some are trying make here is not with Brexit itself, more with the Brexit argument we've all (including yourself) experienced over the last few years. One side of that argument constantly stressed its intellectual superiority in facts, figures and scientific/mathematical "facts and figures", yet here is Quack Quack reacting to rumour, media speculation and gut instinct in a way Brexiteers would have been panned for a year ago. As you yourself have said above, the jury is out, because there is so much we don't know, yet this doesn't stop people advocating "instinctive" reactions to something we actually know very little about.



What can't be denied is that panic and speculation is rife in all this, the world over. That Iran are "digging mass graves" as the result of a satellite image with little hard evidence of actual figures, to people panic buying bog rolls and pasta (then posting images of their carefully labelled horde on social media with self satisfied comments), to pure speculation about how the NHS will collapse within days (with much of it political point scoring as it is material fact)



Its not that people necessarily don't read someone elses post, its that many of us have a different view. It doesn't make us bad people that we refuse to be reduced to panicked soundbytes or to picking and choosing sensationalist figures out of thin air. I don't know the answers anymore than you do, but in the absence of evidential argument, I refuse to join the circus of fear unfolding around us, and will go to work until I am ordered not to. Sorry if you don't like that, but that is how many of us feel.



EDIT - thank feck Rob Roy is back  ::

Totally agree with you deppity.



You should see the state of some of these panic sticken bed wetting labour clowns running around trying to cause hysteria up here. All to point score against sturgeon and johnson , who so far i think have reacted fairly well and level headed.



The same cants who are going on forums trying to whip up a frenzy of fear will be the first ones down aldi and lidl panic buying bog rolls and shoving the auld folk out the way to get to the hand sanitiser.



The same cants who were telling us in 2014 here and 2016 uk wide not to listen to airy fairy nationalists rhetoric but to listen to fact are now running around cause its politically expedient spreading rumours faster than the bloke down the pub.



Pathetic whinging clowns.