Only one speed

[cromwell]

As I said elsewhere, those if my grand daughters age and slightly above have no natural immunity to anything.



They never got dirty  they never got wet, they never got hurt. I'm sitting at home now fighting cellulitis. At 2am this morning some of the infection tried to break out and invade the rest of me and sixty two years of viking stubbornness explained the hard way just what a damn stupid idea that was. I woke at half three drenched in sweat, and promptly went back to sleep, woke at six to find it was all over and I had won. Naturally I took the six am flucoxycillin tablet.



I.quite honestly think past your sell by date or not, you and I have more chance of surviving the dodgy end of this business than half the mollycoddled teen and twenty somethings

 :hattip

Pleased you're on the mend John

[Scott777]

No wonder you aggravate other posters so much — you don't even bother to read posts you reply to or the information in your own links, and that's supposing you've not twisted the topic in the meanwhile...

 :hattip



Sounds very familiar, having had the pleasure of dealing with him.

[johnofgwent]

Interesting article on slugger...







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https://sluggerotoole.com/2020/04/04/might-the-bcg-vaccine-help-protect-from-covid-19/">https://sluggerotoole.com/2020/04/04/mi ... -covid-19/">https://sluggerotoole.com/2020/04/04/might-the-bcg-vaccine-help-protect-from-covid-19/

Ok....



I want to address the single point regarding those born earlier...



I admit the universal vaccination didnt start until the 50s.... but the vaccination was around in the 30s and my parents and my wifes parents had it. I think it was more common to have vaccination round here because there were several TB sanitariums around here and thus the risk of the illness spreading was high.



It will be interesting after this is all over to review the infection and survival rate in south east Wales with other places ....

[johnofgwent]

No I don't if it kicks off badly,being past my best before date I accept that others will be thought a better bet than me and I will be left to my own devices.

As I said elsewhere, those if my grand daughters age and slightly above have no natural immunity to anything.



They never got dirty  they never got wet, they never got hurt. I'm sitting at home now fighting cellulitis. At 2am this morning some of the infection tried to break out and invade the rest of me and sixty two years of viking stubbornness explained the hard way just what a damn stupid idea that was. I woke at half three drenched in sweat, and promptly went back to sleep, woke at six to find it was all over and I had won. Naturally I took the six am flucoxycillin tablet.



I.quite honestly think past your sell by date or not, you and I have more chance of surviving the dodgy end of this business than half the mollycoddled teen and twenty somethings

[patman post]

Actually it does support it. There is no ICU in the Duchy, what is happening is an entire ward is being moved from The Royal  Cornwall to the Duchy so the number of ICU units in the Royal Cornwall can be increased from the current 15.

Then ther is this recent news item:-

More at link:-



https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/helston-community-hospital-now-cornwalls-4020429">https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornw ... ls-4020429">https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/helston-community-hospital-now-cornwalls-4020429

Helston Community Hospital is now Cornwall's palliative unit for coronavirus victims

The minor injuries unit has closed

No wonder you aggravate other posters so much — you don't even bother to read posts you reply to or the information in your own links, and that's supposing you've not twisted the topic in the meanwhile...

[cromwell]

I would disagree cromwell. I understand what you are saying  , if the nhs gets overwhelmed then its those with the best chance of survival who will get put at the front of the queue , but the point im making , in the grand scheme of things you would rather be in your position , in England with the english nhs warts and all , than some third world country that doesnt have that luxury.



Its small consolation though if you die in a third world shithole or a manc slum ::  , your deid.

I have but one thing to say

[Thomas]

Interesting article on slugger...

Might the BCG Vaccine help protect from Covid-19?



From the Irish Times:



    Prof O'Neill said there was evidence going back 30 years that those getting the vaccine get less measles and less respiratory illness.



    Given the "great science behind the BCG vaccine" this research is worth serious consideration, he believed. Already, scientists are moving quickly in an attempt to verify if there is a medical basis for the connection.



    Clinicians in six countries are running trials giving front-line health workers and older people the BCG vaccine. He underlined the study is "a correlation, so there is always an issue of confounding variables". So a high Covid-19 death rate in Italy may be due to low BCG vaccination or a higher proportion of older people.



Now the rational-minded amongst you will know that correlation is not causation. Here is a critique of the theory from Nature.



According to Wikipedia The UK introduced universal BCG immunization in 1953. I assume it was introduced in Northern Ireland at the same time. Could this be one of the reasons why older people who never got the BCG are more affected by Covid-19?



Now can I stress this is only a theory. Don't go getting complacent just because you had the BCG, continue to follow all advice to stay isolated. This is also a good reminder that vaccines save lives. Don't be one of those reckless parents who don't vaccinate their kids because they once saw a video on Facebook from a Californian Nutritionist who says they are full of mercury.

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Yellow: universal BCG vaccination, blue: recommends not to vaccinate. Look at Portugal (yellow) and Spain (blue) less variables between these 2 countries



Portugal (BCG) has 209 deaths vs Spain (no BCG) at 10930. Explain that.

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https://sluggerotoole.com/2020/04/04/might-the-bcg-vaccine-help-protect-from-covid-19/">https://sluggerotoole.com/2020/04/04/mi ... -covid-19/">https://sluggerotoole.com/2020/04/04/might-the-bcg-vaccine-help-protect-from-covid-19/

[Thomas]

The one in the Bermuda shorts looks like someone I know  ::  ::  ::

 :shock:  ::

[Thomas]

No I don't if it kicks off badly,being past my best before date I accept that others will be thought a better bet than me and I will be left to my own devices.

I would disagree cromwell. I understand what you are saying  , if the nhs gets overwhelmed then its those with the best chance of survival who will get put at the front of the queue , but the point im making , in the grand scheme of things you would rather be in your position , in England with the english nhs warts and all , than some third world country that doesnt have that luxury.



Its small consolation though if you die in a third world shithole or a manc slum ::  , your deid.

[Thomas]

I have grave doubts about that.



The meme that is doing the rounds of social media that gets my goat is that "nanny knows best" bollix that says the sooner you start taking social distancing seriously, the sooner this will all be over.



That's totally wrong. The "herd immunity" concept proposes creating a significant population who have been exposed to, and survived, the virus, who are therefore able to carry on as normal, and who will not give it to others as they have passed the infectious stage.



I don't subscribe to this proposal because the downside is a large number of people, probably NOT the massive numbers Doctor Doom Gloom and Death is spinning, but in my view one person is one too many, who die not because they would have, but because we have not the level of equipment to keep them alive till they fight it.



But the consequence of ekeing out that process to reduce the number of people in need of ICU care is that we will be seeing new cases for months and months.

I have great doubts about all if it  john. However , this is what we are trying to find out....the best way forward.



We appear , as ever , to have three main arguments or positions on covid 19 in the uk , those on one extreme like scott on this forum , who have their head buried in the sand , nothing to see here , a few colds and sniffles that will kill a few elderly who will be dead anyway.



Then there is the opposite extreme , the hyper quck quack loonie lefty types running around screamin we are all going to die.



The third type seems to be the majority in the middle , trying to soldier on as best we can , listening to any advice we can get while pleading for guidance and a way forward.



As i understand it , the "herd immunity " concept that is consistenly brought up wasnt what the government originally subscribed to. It was a variation of this concept that the uk government originally bought into with vallance and whitty. Im told the distinction is important.



We were also told back four years ago , the nhs was woefully underfunded and undprepared for a pandemic , as operation cygnus showed back in 2016.



So none of the uks lack of planning and preparation ,and ability to cope ,  is anything new to those who have studied such things.

NHS fails to cope with bodies in flu pandemic test



The NHS failed tests of its ability to cope with a major flu outbreak, the chief medical officer has revealed. A three-day training exercise showed it was not ready for a severe flu attack and that "a lot of things need improving", Professor Dame Sally Davies said.

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[cromwell]

I never said it was. You inferred that only totalitarian asian states like china ( south korea)? could have dealt with this in the way scientists and the who are suggesting , when not only germany and norway , wee norway with a population similar to scotland , have dealt much better than england /uk has  , but even trump  , the much ridiculed in the uk media trump , is rubbishing the uk government herd immunity original plan.



I dont think america , norway or germany ar any less democratic than the uk apparently is?







Nope you have misquoted me.



I said if you cant be protected in the so called 6th richest country , economy in the world with their health service which is better ( despite its performance at times) than many countries around the world , you cant be protected.( I didnt allow for the stupidity and indecision of your government compared to others.)



That still stands. You have a better chance of surviving covd 19 in england than most countries around the world ,and i stand by that.



However , the point is why is it the 6th biggest economy in the world successivly falls behind other smaller economies in the first world time and again at times of crisies like this because of the dithering and indecision of its government when  ,as i keep repeating , for its much vaunted so called status , it should be performing among the top 6 countries in the world?

No I don't if it kicks off badly,being past my best before date I accept that others will be thought a better bet than me and I will be left to my own devices.

[papasmurf]

, but because we have not the level of equipment to keep them alive till they fight it.



But the consequence of ekeing out that process to reduce the number of people in need of ICU care is that we will be seeing new cases for months and months.

Quite, and I suspect I will be confined to my home for many months. (What puzzles me is Porton Down has only just been involved in Covid-19 matters.)

[johnofgwent]

Well  , some are arguing toots that had the uk government acted sooner , and followed more clearly the WHO guidelines , we might be coming out of this quicker.

I have grave doubts about that.



The meme that is doing the rounds of social media that gets my goat is that "nanny knows best" bollix that says the sooner you start taking social distancing seriously, the sooner this will all be over.



That's totally wrong. The "herd immunity" concept proposes creating a significant population who have been exposed to, and survived, the virus, who are therefore able to carry on as normal, and who will not give it to others as they have passed the infectious stage.



I don't subscribe to this proposal because the downside is a large number of people, probably NOT the massive numbers Doctor Doom Gloom and Death is spinning, but in my view one person is one too many, who die not because they would have, but because we have not the level of equipment to keep them alive till they fight it.



But the consequence of ekeing out that process to reduce the number of people in need of ICU care is that we will be seeing new cases for months and months.

[papasmurf]

You neglect to say Duchy medical staff are being trained to work in the Royal Cornwall's wards now freed-up for Covid-19 patients ..... and the link does not support your claim that all the Duchy can do is wheel very ill patients across to the Royal Cornwall...

Actually it does support it. There is no ICU in the Duchy, what is happening is an entire ward is being moved from The Royal  Cornwall to the Duchy so the number of ICU units in the Royal Cornwall can be increased from the current 15.

Then ther is this recent news item:-

More at link:-



https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/helston-community-hospital-now-cornwalls-4020429">https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornw ... ls-4020429">https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/helston-community-hospital-now-cornwalls-4020429

Helston Community Hospital is now Cornwall's palliative unit for coronavirus victims

The minor injuries unit has closed

[patman post]

About all the Duchy can do is stop what is usually does and let the NHS use its facilities to move patients from the Royal Cornwall to give it more capacity.

Also it has been detailed:-

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/cornwalls-private-duchy-hospital-joins-4011882">https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornw ... ns-4011882">https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/cornwalls-private-duchy-hospital-joins-4011882

You neglect to say Duchy medical staff are being trained to work in the Royal Cornwall's wards now freed-up for Covid-19 patients ..... and the link does not support your claim that all the Duchy can do is wheel very ill patients across to the Royal Cornwall...