Any ideas on what Boris will do next?

[T00ts]

The PM is not above the law, so obviously you're wrong. If he didn't follow the law, the courts need to judge him.



You talk about democracy, but a system where the most powerful politician is above the law cannot be considered a democracy. Rule of law is a required property of any system that can be considered democratic.

Again you miss the point. I have not said that the PM is above the law. He has sent a letter. What the courts cannot do is force him personally to send a letter that the government does not support. So the letter is unsigned while he explains in a further missive just why.



Our politics are not run by courts. Therefore it is my submission that running to the courts like children running to mummy is not the way to go. The courts need to be mindful of that.

[Findeton]

I think it will be a massive mistake for the courts to get any more involved in this circus. It seems that there are some both in and outside parliament who run to the courts if democracy doesn't suit them.

The PM is not above the law, so obviously you're wrong. If he didn't follow the law, the courts need to judge him.



You talk about democracy, but a system where the most powerful politician is above the law cannot be considered a democracy. Rule of law is a required property of any system that can be considered democratic.

[T00ts]

I think it will be a massive mistake for the courts to get any more involved in this circus. It seems that there are some both in and outside parliament who run to the courts if democracy doesn't suit them.

[Barry]

The courts will decide, but sending the second letter seems to contravene the spirit of the law.

So you weren't lying then, just exaggerating or putting your "neutral" spin on the proceedings.

Nailed what? We all have to comply with the law, even when we don't like it. Sed lex, dura lex.

Boris complied with the law.  :hattip

[Findeton]

I knew he gave an undertaking to the Scottish court to send the letter, which he has. Where did he give any undertaking not to send any other letters? How can a country/ parliament bind a Prime Minister not to send other communications to the EU? Because they have not, have they?

The courts will decide, but sending the second letter seems to contravene the spirit of the law.

Absolutely nailed it!  :hattip

Nailed what? We all have to comply with the law, even when we don't like it. Sed lex, dura lex.

[Barry]

Prole TV!

Is this your idea of what Boris will do next? A second referendum?

 :fpigs:

[Barry]

So Boris did send the letter asking for an extension, even when he said he wouldn't. He also sent two letters even when he assured the courts he wouldn't.

I knew he gave an undertaking to the Scottish court to send the letter, which he has. Where did he give any undertaking not to send any other letters? How can a country/ parliament bind a Prime Minister not to send other communications to the EU? Because they have not, have they?

No you still don't understand the nuance. BJ has made it clear that the letter is under duress and a demand of parliament not government.  This is a power play and the EU needs to think carefully before they get sucked in to parliament's game here.

Absolutely nailed it!  :hattip

[Findeton]

Have to say findeton you have been proved right and johnson has had to climb down under duress admittedly , but climb down nevertheless.



Fully expect another extension now as you said , but if the eu has any sense then they will only offer one with strings attached.



You have to admit rather than the tide turning against brexit in england , the electorate are getting even angrier at the behaviour of the likes of oliver letwin.



The question is how long can the status quo continue? The status quo is the problem , but neither british nationalists can see that , nor remainers.



Remain seems to be winning small skirmishes at the minute in parliament , but eventually these politicians especially in england are going to have to face the music.



How long can they keep this delaying action up?

Well, if this deal doesn't pass now, there's going to be an election and then we'll see whether the electorate actually wants this deal or not.

[Thomas]

We all are under "duress" of the law. Sed lex, dura lex.

Have to say findeton you have been proved right and johnson has had to climb down under duress admittedly , but climb down nevertheless.



Fully expect another extension now as you said , but if the eu has any sense then they will only offer one with strings attached.



You have to admit rather than the tide turning against brexit in england , the electorate are getting even angrier at the behaviour of the likes of oliver letwin.



The question is how long can the status quo continue? The status quo is the problem , but neither british nationalists can see that , nor remainers.



Remain seems to be winning small skirmishes at the minute in parliament , but eventually these politicians especially in england are going to have to face the music.



How long can they keep this delaying action up?

[Findeton]

No you still don't understand the nuance. BJ has made it clear that the letter is under duress and a demand of parliament not government.  This is a power play and the EU needs to think carefully before they get sucked in to parliament's game here.

We all are under "duress" of the law. Sed lex, dura lex.

[T00ts]

It is the government's request. It was sent by the PM, Boris Johnson. The EU is relevant in the sense that the letter is to the EU. The EU will answer to the UK government, the same one that sent the letter requesting the extension. Of course, they will possibly grant a longer period of time.

No you still don't understand the nuance. BJ has made it clear that the letter is under duress and a demand of parliament not government.  This is a power play and the EU needs to think carefully before they get sucked in to parliament's game here.

[Findeton]

That totally misrepresents my  post. BJ has sent a letter - unsigned - making it quite clear that it is not the government's request. It is a ploy by Remainer MPs to try to renege on our decision to leave. The EU is irrelevant in this. Time will come when the UK Electorate will sort this problem.

It is the government's request. It was sent by the PM, Boris Johnson. The EU is relevant in the sense that the letter is to the EU. The EU will answer to the UK government, the same one that sent the letter requesting the extension. Of course, they will possibly grant a longer period of time.

[T00ts]

The EU will do nothing. Nothing means graciously granting the extension that Boris has humbly requested. The EU will not be the entity that decides when and/or how the UK leaves the EU. It has to be UK's making, otherwise all these liars including Boris Johnson would attack and blame the EU for any fallout. You want the EU not to grant the extension, but I'm guessing you'd also be quite happy to blame them afterwards whenever Brexit causes any economic or political disruption in the UK.



MPs already had taken over government before he became PM, and neither you, me, or Boris are stupid, so don't try to sell me that nobody knew what meant to lead a minority government.







You mean legally speaking, which in this case is pointless as it's just a matter of time. In reality,the Commons have forced the PM to request the extension, and thus the Commons will also accept it when the EU grants it. This is the third extension, by now we all know how it works.

That totally misrepresents my  post. BJ has sent a letter - unsigned - making it quite clear that it is not the government's request. It is a ploy by Remainer MPs to try to renege on our decision to leave. The EU is irrelevant in this. Time will come when the UK Electorate will sort this problem.

[Findeton]

Why would he roll over at the first notion that opposition MPs would take over government without an election? He is doing what he can and showing some backbone. THank goodness he hasn't flown a white flag and given in willingly to a political shower that have only one aim.We have a group of MPs who are misusing the situation of a minority government in order to take power by the back door. This is nothing about Bexit it's a power game.

The best thing the EU can do now is nothing.

The EU will do nothing. Nothing means graciously granting the extension that Boris has humbly requested. The EU will not be the entity that decides when and/or how the UK leaves the EU. It has to be UK's making, otherwise all these liars including Boris Johnson would attack and blame the EU for any fallout. You want the EU not to grant the extension, but I'm guessing you'd also be quite happy to blame them afterwards whenever Brexit causes any economic or political disruption in the UK.



MPs already had taken over government before he became PM, and neither you, me, or Boris are stupid, so don't try to sell me that nobody knew what meant to lead a minority government.

As I understand it the default position is that we leave on 31st deal or no deal. That has not changed.

You mean legally speaking, which in this case is pointless as it's just a matter of time. In reality,the Commons have forced the PM to request the extension, and thus the Commons will also accept it when the EU grants it. This is the third extension, by now we all know how it works.

[Sheepy]

As I understand it the default position is that we leave on 31st deal or no deal. That has not changed.

Wasn't that the position in March,I am sure you said it was.