Nightingale hospitals badly thought through publicity stunt....Peston.

[Thomas]

Really?   :clp

So we have established there are two covid 19 tests , despite your moonhowler theories , one that works to test for current infection , one that is in the research stage for testing to see if someone has had the virus in the past.



Have you anything further to add to the debate , or are you just going to keep throwing in empty one liners to try and save face? :roll:

[Scott777]

Now im not a scientist nor a medical expert ,

Really?   :clp

[Scott777]

You have increasingly over time been using the main boards of this forum to post your zany conspiracy theories or hint at conspiracies such as testing that doesnt work or methods which dont work in this thread about coronavirus.



I simply asked you what you mean , and to provide a link , you couldnt or wouldnt do so , and then resorted to your ususal deflections to try and avoid being challenged.



Anyone who can read or follow a thread  can see who is avoiding making sensible arguments.



You range dementedly from denying covid 19 exists one minute , to suggesting a link between 5g masts and covid 19 the next.



You even tell us you are happy to be labelled a conspriacy theorist nut....







If you want to spout your moonhowling theories , there is actually a part of the forum you can do so. Otheriwse , if you arent going to properly engage in debate on the main boards scott , then stop trolling threads with all your wild "out there " speculation and baseless hints of shadowy corporations taking over the world led by alien lizard people.



You are increasingly coming across as a complete moonhowler.

Ooooh, somebody's really got their knickers in a twist.

[Thomas]

This is for everyone who is interested in science and facts and sensible debate (so basically not Thomas).







"The preferred screening/testing is molecular diagnosis of COVID-19 using real-time RT-PCR (RdRp gene) assay based on oral swabs, which PHE laboratories have been using to confirm this disease."



NHS, 16th March 2020.







"Typically, when PCR is used to detect the presence or absence of a specific DNA product, it is called qualitative PCR."



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4102308/">https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4102308/







"Qualitative research is multimethod in focus, involving an interpretive, naturalistic approach to its subject matter. This means that qualitative researchers study things in their natural settings, attempting to make sense of, or interpret, phenomena in terms of the meanings people bring to them."



Denzin, N., & Lincoln. Y. (1994). Handbook of Qualitative Research. Thousand Oaks, CA, US: Sage Publications Inc



https://www.simplypsychology.org/qualitative-quantitative.html">https://www.simplypsychology.org/qualit ... ative.html">https://www.simplypsychology.org/qualitative-quantitative.html







In other words, PCR testing is really estimating based on interpretation.  And many doctors agree with this assessment.

Now im not a scientist nor a medical expert , but ive read both those links twice over and see not one sign of any link to

 testing for covid 19 which shows it to be unreliable.

COVID-19 testing can identify the SARS-CoV-2 virus and includes methods that detect the presence of virus itself (RT-PCR and isothermal nucleic acid amplification) and those that detect antibodies produced in response to infection

[/b].



it says here about the tests accuracy....

An accurate mortality rate of the disease and the level of herd immunity in the population can be determined from the results of this test.

[/b]



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_testing">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_testing



So what are you actually talking about ?

Different types of tests for COVID-19



There are two kinds of tests for COVID-19:



    those that test for the presence of the virus, aiming to establish whether an individual is currently infected;

    those that test for the presence of antibodies, aiming to establish whether an individual has been infected at some point in the past.



The testing data we present below relates to the former kind of test. The most common way of performing a test of this type is with a 'PCR' test. Here you can find a video that explains how this kind of test works.



The second kind of test – serological tests – are generally still in the research stage of development. This kind of test will be central to establishing how far the coronavirus has spread across the broader population. The Centre for Health Security at Johns Hopkins University provide up to date information on serology tests that are in development or available for use – whether for diagnosis, or only for research purposes.A helpful summary of the current state of testing technologies and their implementation – as of 8 April – can be found in this editorial published in Nature Biomedical Engineering.

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https://ourworldindata.org/covid-testing">https://ourworldindata.org/covid-testing



Are you now suggesting we have went from your argument being covid 19 doesnt exist , to covid 19 is being caused by 5g masts , to now saying covid 19 tests dont work or are unreliable so much so that every country in the world that is using them to test is being duped by shadowy corporations intent on destroying the world.?





https://media1.giphy.com/media/j52HHY43g8BQhasWey/200.webp?cid=ecf05e4766aaa0a1ef39807ee562ff3e7c25a47e56fbe835&rid=200.webp">

[Thomas]

Yep, well I'll leave you to your ad hominem attacks in lieu of any sensible argument.  By the way, you don't need to post your picture.

You have increasingly over time been using the main boards of this forum to post your zany conspiracy theories or hint at conspiracies such as testing that doesnt work or methods which dont work in this thread about coronavirus.



I simply asked you what you mean , and to provide a link , you couldnt or wouldnt do so , and then resorted to your ususal deflections to try and avoid being challenged.



Anyone who can read or follow a thread  can see who is avoiding making sensible arguments.



You range dementedly from denying covid 19 exists one minute , to suggesting a link between 5g masts and covid 19 the next.



You even tell us you are happy to be labelled a conspriacy theorist nut....

I'm happy for this to be labelled "conspiracy theory", and make no apology for speculating on the possibility.

If you want to spout your moonhowling theories , there is actually a part of the forum you can do so. Otheriwse , if you arent going to properly engage in debate on the main boards scott , then stop trolling threads with all your wild "out there " speculation and baseless hints of shadowy corporations taking over the world led by alien lizard people.



You are increasingly coming across as a complete moonhowler.

[Scott777]

This is for everyone who is interested in science and facts and sensible debate (so basically not Thomas).







"The preferred screening/testing is molecular diagnosis of COVID-19 using real-time RT-PCR (RdRp gene) assay based on oral swabs, which PHE laboratories have been using to confirm this disease."



NHS, 16th March 2020.







"Typically, when PCR is used to detect the presence or absence of a specific DNA product, it is called qualitative PCR."



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4102308/">https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4102308/







"Qualitative research is multimethod in focus, involving an interpretive, naturalistic approach to its subject matter. This means that qualitative researchers study things in their natural settings, attempting to make sense of, or interpret, phenomena in terms of the meanings people bring to them."



Denzin, N., & Lincoln. Y. (1994). Handbook of Qualitative Research. Thousand Oaks, CA, US: Sage Publications Inc



https://www.simplypsychology.org/qualitative-quantitative.html">https://www.simplypsychology.org/qualit ... ative.html">https://www.simplypsychology.org/qualitative-quantitative.html







In other words, PCR testing is really estimating based on interpretation.  And many doctors agree with this assessment.

[papasmurf]

Maybe the government is actually trying to avoid that breakdown in public opinion until the last possible moment.

I suspect the government is quaking in their collective boots in case someone leaks the reccomendations of Exercise Cygnus carried out on Jeremy Hunt's watch as Secretary of State for Health and Social Care. (Report never released, the government never acted on it.)

[Scott777]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/hmHDhRmnHJkOI/giphy.webp?cid=ecf05e479c7446e6174b2e3e2297598fbadaf20ab12bf530&rid=giphy.webp">



Ok i `ll leave you to your nutty theories then scott about the 5g masts being set up by shadowy american corporations spreading coronavirus which doesnt really exist as instructed by their alien lizard masters. ::  :thup:



https://politicalforums.uk/pol/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=926">https://politicalforums.uk/pol/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=926

Yep, well I'll leave you to your ad hominem attacks in lieu of any sensible argument.  By the way, you don't need to post your picture.

[Javert]

:thup:



My mate lives in the west midlands and has a green energy business ( basically flogging solar panels). Three times he has been telling us on facebook in recent weeks he has tried to access business loans to either be knocked back or ignored.



His partner has ended up having to sink personal family cash into the business to keep them afloat for the next month and pay wages.



Despite all the much heralded media attention to their original announcements weeks ago , the uk government appear to be dragging their feet as ever in every way shape and form . As you say a feckin pantomine show .

I agree.  There was a guy from the house of Lords, can't remember his name, on the radio yesterday trying to advocate what I said a couple of weeks back - we should not be trying to give out loans through the banks, but we should actually be simply giving away grants to companies that have lost revenue according to the amount of revenue lost.  It sounds crazy, but he was claiming it was actually not that much more expensive than what we are doing now and would actually work better.



Situations that have never happened before require out of the box thinking and may not be solvable using tradiational methods.



As regards the lockdown release, I have been very puzzled up to now by the government's point blank refusal to engage in any discussion even of the options for how the lockdown can be released.  However there was a psychologist who made a good point on this - this may be due to "people" factors.



At the moment, the public support in opinion polls is 90% in favour of the lockdown, and 70% "strongly" in favour of it.  That's pretty much unheard of on any UK opinion poll on any topic, except for questions about general support for the NHS.  



This is partly because pretty much everyone is locked down and has to follow the same rules.



The point she was making was that as soon as we start talking about lifting the lock-down seriously, all hell is going to break loose.



You want to release the lockdown in Scotland but not yet in England - wah wah wah not fair!



You want to release the lockdown for shops selling shoes but not shops selling wargaming figures - wah wah wah not fair!



You want to give people passports that they are immune from Covid-19 and can follow less stringent rules - wah wah wah not fair!



Maybe the government is actually trying to avoid that breakdown in public opinion until the last possible moment.

[papasmurf]

 Its like a fecking pantomime show.

Just wait until Bojo the Clown surfaces, it will be a three ring circus.

[Thomas]

Only £1 billion of loan money to businesses has been approved so far out of £330 billion. That is simply farcical. Its already too late for many. Businesses are starting to go down now because the cash has run out. Furloughed wages debacle, PPE farce, commandeered private hospitals virtually empty, CV-19 testing farce, Nightingale hospitals comedy, lack of any coherent plan on getting us out of this mess, Media scare circus creating a nation of frightened little rabbits, it just gets worse by the day. I can't believe this is the same country I grew up in. Its like a fecking pantomime show.

 :thup:



My mate lives in the west midlands and has a green energy business ( basically flogging solar panels). Three times he has been telling us on facebook in recent weeks he has tried to access business loans to either be knocked back or ignored.



His partner has ended up having to sink personal family cash into the business to keep them afloat for the next month and pay wages.



Despite all the much heralded media attention to their original announcements weeks ago , the uk government appear to be dragging their feet as ever in every way shape and form . As you say a feckin pantomine show .

[DeppityDawg]

Totally agree deppity.



We all have our differences of opinion and politics , thats what we are here to discuss. I cant believe those who are defending this sh*t show.



Furlough scheme the government promised still isnt up and running , apparently the first stage for claiming will be up and running tomorrow according to the gov wesbsite.



Feck knows when business will get the money once they claim.



Mate owns a garage and is trying to flog off a van and car to make ends meet. Speak to a lot of folk across many differing platforms and so many small business are close to running out of cash completely.



Government help if it actually appears looks like being too little too late.



Still no end game in sight , nor exit strategy.

Only £1 billion of loan money to businesses has been approved so far out of £330 billion. That is simply farcical. Its already too late for many. Businesses are starting to go down now because the cash has run out. Furloughed wages debacle, PPE farce, commandeered private hospitals virtually empty, CV-19 testing farce, Nightingale hospitals comedy, lack of any coherent plan on getting us out of this mess, Media scare circus creating a nation of frightened little rabbits, it just gets worse by the day. I can't believe this is the same country I grew up in. Its like a fecking pantomime show.

[Thomas]

Scandal of people arriving untested into the yookay continues unabated.



This time its scotland instead of the talk about london airports. Uk border controls are completely reserved to westminster....

8,000 a week still arriving in Scotland – and not one is tested for Covid-19

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MORE than 8000 visitors a week are continuing to arrive in Scotland from home and abroad without health checks while the nation continues to be in lockdown and undergo social distancing in the coronavirus pandemic, it has emerged.



Estimates provided to the Herald reveal that while arrivals from home and abroad at Scotland's airports have been decimated by the global pandemic, thousands continue to come into the country but without any testing or quarantining for the virus whatsoever.



While other countries have brought in levels of testing and quarantining for arrivals, there are no such measures at UK airports.

[/b]





https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18389704.8-000-week-still-arriving-scotland---not-one-tested-covid-19/?ref=twtrec">https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/183 ... ref=twtrec">https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18389704.8-000-week-still-arriving-scotland---not-one-tested-covid-19/?ref=twtrec





We have the hackney curtain twitcher grassing up a few sunbathers in clissold park , while millions are coming through ports unchecked and untested.

 :-?

[Thomas]

No, you haven't given any links for me, and I don't know which tests you were referring to.  What is the point of finding the evidence against some tests, if it turns out you are talking about different tests?  All I am saying is the tests you refer to ARE PROBABLY the ones that have been disputed.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/hmHDhRmnHJkOI/giphy.webp?cid=ecf05e479c7446e6174b2e3e2297598fbadaf20ab12bf530&rid=giphy.webp">



Ok i `ll leave you to your nutty theories then scott about the 5g masts being set up by shadowy american corporations spreading coronavirus which doesnt really exist as instructed by their alien lizard masters. ::  :thup:



https://politicalforums.uk/pol/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=926">https://politicalforums.uk/pol/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=926

[Scott777]

Link me which tests are unreliable then  ( i already did one of for u), instead of yet again using a diversionary post on who brought up what where and when.



link please?

No, you haven't given any links for me, and I don't know which tests you were referring to.  What is the point of finding the evidence against some tests, if it turns out you are talking about different tests?  All I am saying is the tests you refer to ARE PROBABLY the ones that have been disputed.