Coronavirus hype biggest political hoax in history

[B0ycey]

No it isn't. There still is  a shortage of PPE you denying that is Trolling.

How is it trolling when you are wrong. Am I to pretend you are right so you don't think I'm trolling?  It was one of the five tests. It past. Measures were lifted (slightly) and nobody is talking about PPE running out anymore.

[Barry]

Tell that to the hospitals and nursing homes who still can't get PPE supplies and the dentists and optician who can't get any either.

Until that is rectified the lock down should stay.

He can't. I've tried to tell you before. There was always a few days supply in the hospitals.

Nursing homes are responsible for their own provision. (80% or more being private, of course)

[papasmurf]

But that is different to running out.

No it isn't. There still is  a shortage of PPE you denying that is Trolling.

[B0ycey]

There were NO buffer stores of PPE despite the government have been warned about it four times since 2010.

But that is different to running out. Yes they reduced their stock levels and yes that was bad in terms of response. It meant they had to pay inflated prices for dodgy Turkish PPE. You can complain about that and blame the government if you like. That still doesn't actually address anything I have said.

[papasmurf]

Hospitals supplies were low and never ran out. The dentists and opticans are not open, and the care homes are privately run. They have to buy there own PPE, which the government have stopped VAT for them to help them out the best they can. It seems you are trying to create a strawman to get out of not answering the question. It doesn't matter,  the question is moot and was only asked to make you think a little. Whether you agree with the lockdown or not, it doesn't effect you directly as you are quaranting yourself regardless and it seems you want to maintain it so everyone will have to suffer like you regardless whether the risks are the same or not.

Frankly you are trolling. (Seriously) What your motives are I don't care.

There were NO buffer stores of PPE despite the government have been warned about it four times since 2010.

[B0ycey]

This simply is not true. A lot of workers in care homes were denied PPE, as were doctors and nurses in the early stages.  The death rate among care workers is twice that of doctors and nurses, which is no coincidence. Those of us who are staying home safe and sound are lucky to be able to do so and I'm always conscious of that.  But we're also doing our bit by helping to keep numbers of cases down and so lowering the overall risk to care workers as well as looking after our own interests.

I don't know how to say it. Hospitals never ran out. It is that simple. And they were guided to ration but it never ran out. As for care homes, 84% are privately run. I am a socialist so I say nationalise them and then you will have a point. But they aren't so that means the government isn't responsible for them. But as it happens, as care homes are not guided by the government, care homes have put profits before health and is the reason Care homes had Covid19 outbreaks. But the peak seems to have been reached despite them being crippled by lockdown measures that piling everyone into one building without the ventilation has.

[Hyperduck Quack Quack]

So all that is needed is PPE? You do realise that we were only short of PPE,  it never actually ran out. Although that still doesn't explain how that effects you directly. Perhaps the doctor and nurse who work in dangerous environments not you who is staying home safe and sound.

This simply is not true. A lot of workers in care homes were denied PPE, as were doctors and nurses in the early stages.  The death rate among care workers is twice that of doctors and nurses, which is no coincidence. Those of us who are staying home safe and sound are lucky to be able to do so and I'm always conscious of that.  But we're also doing our bit by helping to keep numbers of cases down and so lowering the overall risk to care workers as well as looking after our own interests.

[B0ycey]

Tell that to the hospitals and nursing homes who still can't get PPE supplies and the dentists and optician who can't get any either.

Until that is rectified the lock down should stay.

Hospitals supplies were low and never ran out. The dentists and opticans are not open, and the care homes are privately run. They have to buy there own PPE, which the government have stopped VAT for them to help them out the best they can. It seems you are trying to create a strawman to get out of not answering the question. It doesn't matter,  the question is moot and was only asked to make you think a little. Whether you agree with the lockdown or not, it doesn't effect you directly as you are quaranting yourself regardless and it seems you want to maintain it so everyone will have to suffer like you regardless whether the risks are the same or not.

[papasmurf]

So all that is needed is PPE? You do realise that we were only short of PPE,  it never actually ran out.

Tell that to the hospitals and nursing homes who still can't get PPE supplies and the dentists and optician who can't get any either.

Until that is rectified the lock down should stay.

[B0ycey]

It is you who don't get it, until all the people who need PPE get it, (dentists, opticians, and other essential workers the government seem to have forgotten about and  daily death rate has dropped a lot lower than currently a second spike in Covid-19 is inevitable.

I suspect the way people have been piling back on to the London underground and buses, that is only a matter of days as it is.

So all that is needed is PPE? You do realise that we were only short of PPE,  it never actually ran out. Although that still doesn't explain how that effects you directly. Perhaps the doctor and nurse who work in dangerous environments not you who is staying home safe and sound.



Anyway London seems to be over the worse. They have the lowest R0 number in the country despite being the epicentre a few months back. It maybe that they are over the peak. It will be interesting to see the impact packed transport has to them. If no impact then that will say something about their real infection rate. Although I do think the only way to escape the worse of the no doubt inevitable second global wave of cases is to have some (sustainable) cases at a manageable level at the first wave.

[papasmurf]

You still don't get it. It's like saying you are suck in a nuclear bunker after the Holocaust and because everyone is dying outside from radiation poisoning that will effect you directly even though you have meters of lead between you. The virus has a 2m radius. It doesn't spread well outside. You are inside. They are outside. Can't say it anymore clear than that.

It is you who don't get it, until all the people who need PPE get it, (dentists, opticians, and other essential workers the government seem to have forgotten about and  daily death rate has dropped a lot lower than currently a second spike in Covid-19 is inevitable.

I suspect the way people have been piling back on to the London underground and buses, that is only a matter of days as it is.

[B0ycey]

I would have a big issues with no lockdown as would the people where I live. There needs to be lot more in place before lock down is lifted.

You still don't get it. It's like saying you are suck in a nuclear bunker after the Holocaust and because everyone is dying outside from radiation poisoning that will effect you directly even though you have meters of lead between you. The virus has a 2m radius. It doesn't spread well outside. You are inside. They are outside. Can't say it anymore clear than that.

[papasmurf]

So you won't have an issue with no lockdown then. You are planning on acting sensibly and not interacting with society regardless.

I would have a big issues with no lockdown as would the people where I live. There needs to be lot more in place before lock down is lifted.

[B0ycey]

Nothing has changed it.

So you won't have an issue with no lockdown then. You are planning on acting sensibly and not interacting with society regardless.

[papasmurf]

Well in general that aren't ignoring them although you'll find the odd idiot. Although you have to explain why it matters to your personally as you have quarantined yourself away from them already before your letter. You clearly knew that it was a preventive measure before lockdown. What changed that?

Nothing has changed it.