Does the SARS-COV2 virus cause Covid-19 ?

[johnofgwent]

I've no doubt some will cry 'conspiracy theory', but unless you can provide evidence or proper argument to back that up, I will ignore it.



Does the SARS-COV2 virus cause the Covid-19 disease?  I am not claiming either way, but I am questioning it.





Background



Kary Banks Mullis was an American biochemist who invented the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) technique, sharing the 1993 Nobel Prize in Chemistry.  In his 1998 autobiography, Mullis expressed disagreement with the scientific evidence that HIV causes AIDS.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis



In 1995, biologist Stefan Lanka, argued that HIV does not exist.

In 2011 he offered a prize of 100,000 Euros to anyone who could prove the existence of the measles virus and the determination of its diameter.  Lanka claims the measles are basically a skin irritation caused by a mixture of psychosomatic triggers and poisoning.  David Bardens provided six publications to prove the measles virus exists.  In 2016 the Higher Regional Court (Oberlandesgericht) Stuttgart determined:



1.   The content of the publications submitted did not meet the requirements for evidence.

2.   None of the documentation submitted was based on attempts in which the pathogen had previously been isolated and biochemically characterized or even such isolation had been scientifically documented.



To date, as far as I know, no one has won this prize.



http://lrbw.juris.de/cgi-bin/laender_rechtsprechung/document.py?Gericht=bw&GerichtAuswahl=Oberlandesgerichte&Art=en&sid=46bf3db2df690aba6e4874acafaf45b6&nr=20705&pos=0&anz=1">http://lrbw.juris.de/cgi-bin/laender_re ... os=0&anz=1">http://lrbw.juris.de/cgi-bin/laender_rechtsprechung/document.py?Gericht=bw&GerichtAuswahl=Oberlandesgerichte&Art=en&sid=46bf3db2df690aba6e4874acafaf45b6&nr=20705&pos=0&anz=1



Many scientists are claiming that Covid-19 is not so much caused as triggered by SARS-COV2, and some claim that vaccines actually contribute to Covid-19, including Dr Judy Mikovits.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w_ZatNePWY">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w_ZatNePWY

Perhaps the nicest thing I can day is I never believed this chaps idea for cloning dna in the first place. It works by sticking in a chain you expect to copy, and as sir Humphrey said in yes minister, the thing about guidelines is that few trains refuse to follow them.



As my prof of biochemistry said of a certain double nobel prize winner 'hes a bright chap, but he will keep banging on about the health giving properties of vitamin c, when we all know all it does at that strength is make you piss for england ...

[Hyperduck Quack Quack]

Indeed, and I'm sure the only reason this forum doesn't get shut down is because it's too small for the corporations to care.

Plus some of us sometimes post sensible, considered and possibly even useful comments.



While we're questionning whether things exist - does money exist?  We all know cash exists, but I mean the abstract concept of monetary value that lies behind cash and all other forms of 'money'. In fact when the coronavirus pandemic is over and many economies are wrecked to such an extent that they can't be rebuilt according to conventional economics, will the people and even governments be forced to look for alternatives?

[Nalaar]

Why?

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The opening post contains statements questioning "existence of the measles virus" as well as statements like "HIV does not exist." And that "vaccines actually contribute to Covid-19".



If you have further questions please take them to PM.

[Scott777]

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Why?

[Scott777]

So basically you have posted a load of unsubstantiated claims, and then said that it's up to us to prove them wrong, but we can only prove them wrong using sources that you approve of.  Have you ever thought about starting a cult?

1. They are not unsubstantiated.  I provided a link to the most important part - the court case, and the rest are from Wikipedia.  Which claim did you want a link for?



2. When did I say it's up for you to prove them wrong?



3. Why can you only prove them wrong using sources that I approve of?  You can use any source, if you have a claim to make.



3. What have cults got to do with anything.  It's all fact based.

[Nalaar]

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[Javert]

So basically you have posted a load of unsubstantiated claims, and then said that it's up to us to prove them wrong, but we can only prove them wrong using sources that you approve of.  Have you ever thought about starting a cult?

[Scott777]

I see David Icke has had his Facebook page removed over postings like this.  

Indeed, and I'm sure the only reason this forum doesn't get shut down is because it's too small for the corporations to care.

[Barry]

I see David Icke has had his Facebook page removed over postings like this.  

[Scott777]

I've no doubt some will cry 'conspiracy theory', but unless you can provide evidence or proper argument to back that up, I will ignore it.



Does the SARS-COV2 virus cause the Covid-19 disease?  I am not claiming either way, but I am questioning it.





Background



Kary Banks Mullis was an American biochemist who invented the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) technique, sharing the 1993 Nobel Prize in Chemistry.  In his 1998 autobiography, Mullis expressed disagreement with the scientific evidence that HIV causes AIDS.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis



In 1995, biologist Stefan Lanka, argued that HIV does not exist.

In 2011 he offered a prize of 100,000 Euros to anyone who could prove the existence of the measles virus and the determination of its diameter.  Lanka claims the measles are basically a skin irritation caused by a mixture of psychosomatic triggers and poisoning.  David Bardens provided six publications to prove the measles virus exists.  In 2016 the Higher Regional Court (Oberlandesgericht) Stuttgart determined:



1.   The content of the publications submitted did not meet the requirements for evidence.

2.   None of the documentation submitted was based on attempts in which the pathogen had previously been isolated and biochemically characterized or even such isolation had been scientifically documented.



To date, as far as I know, no one has won this prize.



http://lrbw.juris.de/cgi-bin/laender_rechtsprechung/document.py?Gericht=bw&GerichtAuswahl=Oberlandesgerichte&Art=en&sid=46bf3db2df690aba6e4874acafaf45b6&nr=20705&pos=0&anz=1">http://lrbw.juris.de/cgi-bin/laender_re ... os=0&anz=1">http://lrbw.juris.de/cgi-bin/laender_rechtsprechung/document.py?Gericht=bw&GerichtAuswahl=Oberlandesgerichte&Art=en&sid=46bf3db2df690aba6e4874acafaf45b6&nr=20705&pos=0&anz=1



Many scientists are claiming that Covid-19 is not so much caused as triggered by SARS-COV2, and some claim that vaccines actually contribute to Covid-19, including Dr Judy Mikovits.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w_ZatNePWY">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w_ZatNePWY