GE 2024

[papasmurf]

Has the far left ever not bankrupted the country?

What "far left?"

[HallowedBrexit]

His 'achievement' is on the back of an electorate currently disenchanted with politics in general. I believe the figures show that he has not actually gained more votes. He has shown frequently in recent months how he either sits uncomfortably on a fence or flips sides if he sees he is not popular. He has said today that his government will be  (I paraphrase) free from dogma. I had a wry laugh.

No - life was tough under recent 'conservatives' but it will be nigh on impossible with Starmer. Hollow out your mattress and tuck any assets you own where he can't grab them. I believe him to be gutless and spineless in political terms and dread the effect he will have on our relations abroad.

Has the far left ever not bankrupted the country?

[Streetwalker]

Maybe you should get them local muslim community leaders to manage the medical center build.

Sounds about right they seem to be the only group who can get things done and by-pass any opposition 

If he ever bothers to vote or turn up to any committees or consultations. His record as an MEP doesn't bode well.

His record as an MEP was excellent .He had one purpose and achieved it , job done in my book . 

[papasmurf]

I'm sure something will be along to give you something to complain about soon

There is something I am unhappy about but the campaign is already under way.

[BeElBeeBub]

His 'achievement' is on the back of an electorate currently disenchanted with politics in general. I believe the figures show that he has not actually gained more votes. He has shown frequently in recent months how he either sits uncomfortably on a fence or flips sides if he sees he is not popular. He has said today that his government will be  (I paraphrase) free from dogma. I had a wry laugh.

No - life was tough under recent 'conservatives' but it will be nigh on impossible with Starmer. Hollow out your mattress and tuck any assets you own where he can't grab them. I believe him to be gutless and spineless in political terms and dread the effect he will have on our relations abroad.

Who would you rather have?

[T00ts]

His 'achievement' is on the back of an electorate currently disenchanted with politics in general. I believe the figures show that he has not actually gained more votes. He has shown frequently in recent months how he either sits uncomfortably on a fence or flips sides if he sees he is not popular. He has said today that his government will be  (I paraphrase) free from dogma. I had a wry laugh.

No - life was tough under recent 'conservatives' but it will be nigh on impossible with Starmer. Hollow out your mattress and tuck any assets you own where he can't grab them. I believe him to be gutless and spineless in political terms and dread the effect he will have on our relations abroad. 

[BeElBeeBub]

If that was the case, there would be a massive horse trading exercise to form a government. It would end up with moderate policies.
The Greens and Reform have been dishonoured by the FPTP system.

Like the massive horse trading exercise May undertook?

Coalitions seem to be the norm in other countries and work ok.

What worries me is how the FPTP system tends to suppress fringe parties - which leads to disenchantment and issues festering.

When it comes to populist parties this can lead to support building until you get a big breakthrough, but the parties aren't in any position to govern because all the new MPs aren't ready.

[johnofgwent]

No, but as someone who has been shafted by the Tories for the last 14 years I am glad I now live in a Tory MP free zone.

I'm sure something will be along to give you something to complain about soon

[BeElBeeBub]

 .Meanwhile a new mosque  is coming along nicely 8 months after planning was granted .

Maybe you should get them local muslim community leaders to manage the medical center build.

 ....he will representing the people on matters of state and his voting record in parliament will be what counts

If he ever bothers to vote or turn up to any committees or consultations. His record as an MEP doesn't bode well.

[BeElBeeBub]

I stayed up til 5am and saw Hunt and Sunak survive but lose control and for that I am glad but the prospect of Starmer in charge is the stuff of nightmares for me.

Starmer will have to break his back to get my trust but his party, now officially 2nd in Starmer's priority list, ('country first, party second he has said') has a large enough majority to feel that they don't have to always tow the line. Ripples of discontent particularly from the silenced far left that still underpins Labour will ripple into a tsunami when they realise that their Leader is actually a nonplussed charlatan. They will let him get his feet under the desk at first perhaps, but the demands will be shrill and ultimately damaging to the country. Any bets on how long Starmer will remain as leader/PM?

Intrigued as to why Starmer may be "a charlatan"
Whatever you think of his politics (too far left, not far enough left, too pot EU, not pro EU enough etc) he is competent.

Was a QC and the Director of Public Prosecutions. Neither position is given to compete fools.

Then he took a party, famously at war with itself and reeling from a kicking at the ballot box, and managed to hold it together well enough to thrash the opposition just 5 years later.  Ok it was as much the conservatives shitting the bed as him wowing people, but it is still quite an achievement.

[papasmurf]

 Any bets on how long Starmer will remain as leader/PM?

No, but as someone who has been shafted by the Tories for the last 14 years I am glad I now live in a Tory MP free zone.

[T00ts]

I stayed up til 5am and saw Hunt and Sunak survive but lose control and for that I am glad but the prospect of Starmer in charge is the stuff of nightmares for me.

Starmer will have to break his back to get my trust but his party, now officially 2nd in Starmer's priority list, ('country first, party second he has said') has a large enough majority to feel that they don't have to always tow the line. Ripples of discontent particularly from the silenced far left that still underpins Labour will ripple into a tsunami when they realise that their Leader is actually a nonplussed charlatan. They will let him get his feet under the desk at first perhaps, but the demands will be shrill and ultimately damaging to the country. Any bets on how long Starmer will remain as leader/PM?

[Streetwalker]

Go for it, be interested to hear how Farage works for his constituency.

Probably do the same as most other MP's .Pick a target and run with it . My Conservative MP has been banging on about saving /re-opening/ building a new swimming pool for 15 years .He's tagged that with 'Im going to make sure a new medical centre is built ' on every flyer his monkeys post through my letter box every 6 months while forgetting he got planning and funding from central government for that 10 years ago . Its still a car park as is part of the planned swimming pool development .Meanwhile a new mosque  is coming along nicely 8 months after planning was granted .

So its fair to say they don't do a lot locally and the days of sending a local man to London to fight for local issues has long gone .What gets done in  constituency's  these days is more to do with the council rather than the MP ,he will representing the people on matters of state and his voting record in parliament will be what counts 

But we will see , he may have a few projects in mind ,fishing trips ,pub crawls and suchlike . Im sure the people of Clacton will have a great time .

[Barry]

The results do show how utterly shit the FPTP system is.

The Lib Dems get 68 seats with 3.4m votes
Reform 4 with just under 4m
Same as the Greens (2m), SNP(200k), DUP(150k)

Much as I dislike Reform, that does seem inequitable.

Our democracy would be better served by a more proportional system.

On pure proportion (also not great)
Lab 221
Con 156
Ref 93
LD 78
GN 45

This would stuff regional parties like PC or SNP and effectively kill independents and locals

If that was the case, there would be a massive horse trading exercise to form a government. It would end up with moderate policies.
The Greens and Reform have been dishonoured by the FPTP system. 

[papasmurf]

Go for it, be interested to hear how Farage works for his constituency.

I expect he will spend some time in America with his mate Trump.