I was thinking, could God be actually from another dimension?

Started by Sheepy, May 19, 2021, 09:01:51 PM

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srb7677

I don't know if God is from another dimension, but I suspect Keir Starmer is.
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T00ts

Quote from: Nick on June 17, 2021, 03:58:20 PM
Im sorry but you haven't answered the questions at all, you have merely danced round it.
Science will remain, the myth of God would change.

Of course science will remain. Science is the basis of everything but you make the same error that all unbelievers make. You assume that mankind is supreme in some way and the 'science' they discover is original. We are just so far behind the creator. Where do you really think that knowledge comes from? We 'discover' things when we are ready. Like it or not I am convinced that we have a Creator who created all we have so far discovered, but so much more that we have no inkling of. God will and never has changed. Mankind likes to put all sorts of labels on Him, but He is the constant in this ever changing world.
As far as relating anything to someone like Gervais comes up with - well enough said. You asked if God created Satan - I thought my answer was clear enough. Perhaps I was mistaken in adding what I believe is background knowledge to give the reasons why.
I have done my best to answer your questions as far as my own knowledge/faith allows. Perhaps my answers don't fit into what you expected but I did my best.

Nick

Quote from: T00ts on June 17, 2021, 09:09:15 AM
This is a little more difficult and I'm expecting to be shouted down on all sides but I'll give it a shot according to my beliefs.

Yes God made Satan as well as Jesus but the one supported God's plan for earth and the other wanted to take away the elements of freedom. Jesus agreed with our Father that we should all have freedom of choice to learn the difference between good and evil while Satan wanted to force us all to know only good. His plan would guarantee that we would all be saved and return to God's kingdom. Jesus understood that that would not let anyone grow or develop and God is the ultimate trainer. He has a vision of what we can individually achieve and wants us to reach our full potential over eternity not just this worldly existence. With Satan's plan we would not know sadness and therefore not recognise happiness, equally with deceit, lies, and all the other things in life. We would not learn control, we would not understand that our human instincts do not rule our Spirits or recognise our true strength. We are much greater than any of us recognise.
God does not want us to remain ignorant and He does want us to choose between two ways. It is written that a great battle ensued and Satan and a third of heaven was cast out and not allowed to come to earth in human form. The mere fact that we have all been born tells us which side we are or were on. That battle is still raging and is steadily coming to a head. It is prophesied that at some point there will be another such battle, we will have chosen our sides and Satan will be banished forever together with his followers. The second death. Death of the spirit not just the body. I cannot prove this except to say that for me it is totally logical and removes any shred of doubt about how it all fits together.

I have my tin hat on ready - I just ask that any arguments against avoid real insults to my faith. I do not expect to persuade anyone but to simply explain what I believe.

Im sorry but you haven't answered the questions at all, you have merely danced round it.
Science will remain, the myth of God would change.
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.

Barry

Quote from: Nick on June 17, 2021, 05:02:23 AM
That is a cop out and quite frankly goes against your own argument for the existence of God.

He isn't responsible for the Tsunami that hit SE Asia?
God created the Earth and he knew there would be earthquakes which will get worse. (Matthew 24:7)
QuoteOr Hurricanes in Haiti?
Yes.
QuoteOr Bush fires in Oz?
Depends how they started.

QuoteYou can't pick and choose when God is responsible and when Man is responsible, either you attribute the above to him or he doesn't exist. You clearly state that he doesn't inflict pain on us, then who killed all the people in Fukushima when the tidal wave hit?
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T00ts

Quote from: Nick on June 17, 2021, 05:23:05 AM
Surely if God created EVERYTHING he also created Satan? You're now saying that God created the devil just to sent his Son to give him a kicking?

Not being disrespectful but there are more holes in the God theory that Swiss cheese.

Like Ricky Gervais said one time. If we did away with all science books and religious books and a new civilisation started. In a few thousand years all those books would be replaced. All the science books would look exactly the same cause the same experiments, same theories would have been re-run and the same results found. The religious books would look entirely different with different stories but the conclusion the same, God.

https://youtu.be/P5ZOwNK6n9U

This is a little more difficult and I'm expecting to be shouted down on all sides but I'll give it a shot according to my beliefs.

Yes God made Satan as well as Jesus but the one supported God's plan for earth and the other wanted to take away the elements of freedom. Jesus agreed with our Father that we should all have freedom of choice to learn the difference between good and evil while Satan wanted to force us all to know only good. His plan would guarantee that we would all be saved and return to God's kingdom. Jesus understood that that would not let anyone grow or develop and God is the ultimate trainer. He has a vision of what we can individually achieve and wants us to reach our full potential over eternity not just this worldly existence. With Satan's plan we would not know sadness and therefore not recognise happiness, equally with deceit, lies, and all the other things in life. We would not learn control, we would not understand that our human instincts do not rule our Spirits or recognise our true strength. We are much greater than any of us recognise.
God does not want us to remain ignorant and He does want us to choose between two ways. It is written that a great battle ensued and Satan and a third of heaven was cast out and not allowed to come to earth in human form. The mere fact that we have all been born tells us which side we are or were on. That battle is still raging and is steadily coming to a head. It is prophesied that at some point there will be another such battle, we will have chosen our sides and Satan will be banished forever together with his followers. The second death. Death of the spirit not just the body. I cannot prove this except to say that for me it is totally logical and removes any shred of doubt about how it all fits together.

I have my tin hat on ready - I just ask that any arguments against avoid real insults to my faith. I do not expect to persuade anyone but to simply explain what I believe.

T00ts

Quote from: Nick on June 17, 2021, 05:02:23 AM
That is a cop out and quite frankly goes against your own argument for the existence of God.

He isn't responsible for the Tsunami that hit SE Asia?
Or Hurricanes in Haiti?
Or Bush fires in Oz?

You can't pick and choose when God is responsible and when Man is responsible, either you attribute the above to him or he doesn't exist. You clearly state that he doesn't inflict pain on us, then who killed all the people in Fukushima when the tidal wave hit?

Your arguments make me smile. In answer to your last question - the tidal wave. You seem happy to blame a 'non-existent' God for all our woes rather than mankind which is very evident. Equally you make no allowance for natural occurrences.  I thought it was just insurance companies that used that get out clause. To say either or in the way you do is really too simplistic in my view and we have to look much more deeply into the scriptures to find the truth.

Look at it this way - I don't know if you are a father - but could you knowingly inflict pain on your children? If a child walks away from the family, gets into drugs, steals, or whatever would you cast them aside if they come to you sobbing and sorry and then change their ways?
God is our Heavenly Father, the Father of our Spirits. More than that He is just  and forgiving, our actions over the whole of time have lead the earth to where it is now. If humanity in general had lived a purer (yes more Godly) life then things would be different. We have abused the world, ransacked it, and denied His existence en masse - we reap what we have sown. Individually we can be saved if we choose, collectively we are now on a set path.

The confidence of faith is that we understand up to a point and to some extent can relax when we see what is happening. I just wish it could be different but that is in the hands of all of mankind.





Nick

Quote from: T00ts on June 01, 2021, 11:06:38 AMSatan is as aware of that as anyone. He is working overtime to take as many souls away from God as possible before Jesus calls a halt.

Surely if God created EVERYTHING he also created Satan? You're now saying that God created the devil just to sent his Son to give him a kicking?

Not being disrespectful but there are more holes in the God theory that Swiss cheese.

Like Ricky Gervais said one time. If we did away with all science books and religious books and a new civilisation started. In a few thousand years all those books would be replaced. All the science books would look exactly the same cause the same experiments, same theories would have been re-run and the same results found. The religious books would look entirely different with different stories but the conclusion the same, God.

https://youtu.be/P5ZOwNK6n9U
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.

Nick

Quote from: T00ts on May 27, 2021, 06:42:19 PMGod doesn't inflict pain or anything else on us, we simply suffer the consequences of what we choose to do.

That is a cop out and quite frankly goes against your own argument for the existence of God.

He isn't responsible for the Tsunami that hit SE Asia?
Or Hurricanes in Haiti?
Or Bush fires in Oz?

You can't pick and choose when God is responsible and when Man is responsible, either you attribute the above to him or he doesn't exist. You clearly state that he doesn't inflict pain on us, then who killed all the people in Fukushima when the tidal wave hit?
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.

Sampanviking

I was fascinated by an article that came out decades ago.
To summarise, it said that if you projected the growth of computing power into the far future, you came to a statistically "reality" where the most likely explaination for our Universe is that we were all part of a massive computer simulation.

That idea rather appealed and certainly was logical.

B-4

Quote from: T00ts on June 09, 2021, 12:23:52 PM
I do wonder if respect and fear are too often muddled. Is to respect the law to fear it?
It would depend on the law.  Many make sense and benefit most of us.  I guess if a particular law isn't respectable (draconian, for example) then fear is really all that's left to maintain it.  Laws need to make sense and be justified with reason so people can accept them. 

T00ts

Quote from: B-4 on June 05, 2021, 07:13:56 PM
I have seen no evidence of the supernatural to determine what a spirit actually is.  My apprehension is derived from the fact that throughout history and even present day, there is always something that is determined to control us with fear.  Of course, I don't use that as evidence to the contrary, but in a world this crazy and manipulative I feel rationalism with a healthy dose of paranoia keeps me grounded and as free from indoctrination (the given impulse to believe in something without evidence) as possible.

This isn't really about religion to me, at least not exclusively.  I will also apply it to the Communists and every other collectivist doctrine that catches my cynical eye.

Be excellent to your neighbours gets no qualms, though.  It seems rational to me if there is to be a naturally forming civilisation of some sort.

I do wonder if respect and fear are too often muddled. Is to respect the law to fear it?

B-4

I have seen no evidence of the supernatural to determine what a spirit actually is.  My apprehension is derived from the fact that throughout history and even present day, there is always something that is determined to control us with fear.  Of course, I don't use that as evidence to the contrary, but in a world this crazy and manipulative I feel rationalism with a healthy dose of paranoia keeps me grounded and as free from indoctrination (the given impulse to believe in something without evidence) as possible.

This isn't really about religion to me, at least not exclusively.  I will also apply it to the Communists and every other collectivist doctrine that catches my cynical eye.

Be excellent to your neighbours gets no qualms, though.  It seems rational to me if there is to be a naturally forming civilisation of some sort.

Sheepy

Quote from: T00ts on June 02, 2021, 12:02:50 PM
Borchester you try my patience and I posted my annoyance. I have repented and have therefore modified it.
Which has stopped you posting, when I rather enjoyed your posts Borchester doesn't know everything he just thinks he does.
Just because I don't say anything, it doesn't mean I haven't noticed!

Sheepy

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