Sir Keir Starmer hints at banning private healthcare

[Streetwalker]

Back to the OP, what political advantage does KS think he's going to get by this announcement?

He is getting his attempting to get his  left wing onside , as a vote collector its a non starter . 

[Nick]

Back to the OP, what political advantage does KS think he's going to get by this announcement?

[Ratcliff]

It was a pretty common occurrence at St Josephs. They had no critical care facilities at all, even after the massive extension to their facilities. Our house was built at the edge of an estate and when we moved in, the whole area immediately to our right was a farmer's field, Welsh black beef cows would greet the kids as they walked to school

When the farmer popped his clogs the BUPA hospital bought him up, lied to the planners at the size of a planned extension and put concrete and steel everywhere.

Someone being packed off out of the back doors across the road from our conservatory into an NHS ambulance for a ride to resus was a pretty common thing.

As I said , I'm not saying that all private hospitals have HDU/ICU facilities but many do, some also have walk in emergency departments. 
Not all NHS hospitals have ICU/HDU or A&E facilities either so this really is a debate about nothing.

[cromwell]

Dunno. As far as I can see an A &E department is somewhere you sit around until you either die, recover or are sometimes seen by a medic. But when a Japanese friend's daughter started to have a funny turn she (the daughter) was in St John's and St Elizabeth's private hospital before Kuniko could threaten to cancel her premiums.The difference appears to be between private greed and well meaning public incompetence.

Well that could describe you me or many on here at times. 

[Borchester]

There are no private hospitals in the the UK with A+E depts.

Dunno. As far as I can see an A &E department is somewhere you sit around until you either die, recover or are sometimes seen by a medic. But when a Japanese friend's daughter started to have a funny turn she (the daughter) was in St John's and St Elizabeth's private hospital before Kuniko could threaten to cancel her premiums.The difference appears to be between private greed and well meaning public incompetence.

[papasmurf]

Someone being packed off out of the back doors across the road from our conservatory into an NHS ambulance for a ride to resus was a pretty common thing.

At the main hospital in Truro is next to the private hospital, any emergency the private hospital can't handle only has to be wheeled a few yards.

[johnofgwent]

No, I'm not confusing anything - that's a GP service
I'm not stating that every private hospital has a walk in emergency department with A&E consultants - far from it but some do .
As for your when private care goes tits up comment -I've been a private patient in a private HDU(ICU beds also available if needed) in a private hospital , I wasn't blue lighted anywhere .

It was a pretty common occurrence at St Josephs. They had no critical care facilities at all, even after the massive extension to their facilities. Our house was built at the edge of an estate and when we moved in, the whole area immediately to our right was a farmer's field, Welsh black beef cows would greet the kids as they walked to school

When the farmer popped his clogs the BUPA hospital bought him up, lied to the planners at the size of a planned extension and put concrete and steel everywhere.

Someone being packed off out of the back doors across the road from our conservatory into an NHS ambulance for a ride to resus was a pretty common thing.

[Ratcliff]

Are you confusing the "pay £50-£100 to see a GP now" as offered by the Spire (previously BUPA) private hospitals with a proper A&E with resus facility ?

When a patient's private care goes tits and they need to be blue lighted BUPA DONT throw the NHS a bung ...

No, I'm not confusing anything - that's a GP service 
I'm not stating that every private hospital has a walk in emergency department with A&E consultants - far from it but some do .
As for your when private care goes tits up comment -I've been a private patient in a private HDU(ICU beds also available if needed) in a private hospital , I wasn't blue lighted anywhere .

[johnofgwent]

That's because private health care works on a jumping to the front of the queue system, A&E is already a pinnacle process. How can you leapfrog a pinnacle process?

But yes, many private hospitals don't have any form of crash facilities or ICU, but what they do have is the ability to get you to the #1 slot when they refer you back to the NHS. 

That's only because the consultant that operates on you works in both. Having paid £100 (back a long time ago) to jump the queue to see the consultant in St Joseph's private hospital, I was offered an operation in the Gwent on the NHS inside a month for free, an operation in the Gwent on the NHS in a pay bed in the same time frame for a few hundred and an operation any day I liked starting tomorrow in the private hospital for £2500 and before I said anything the consultant said "and whichever you choose doesn't matter to me as the private hospital trouser that money and I get paid the same to do it here as I get standing in the Gwent's theatre and they've got a full crash resus team ............"

I opted to go to the Gwent.

Initially I booked the private side room, hell.i was invoicing my client enough to afford it, but after I had the op and got wheeled back to recover, some nurses were looking for a place to stick a bed with a big monitoring console for an incoming patient and I heard them saying they had problems finding a space so I told them to wheel me onto the ward proper and let whoever needed that kit have it set up in the side room I'd "booked"

I'd never make a proper capitalist would I 

[johnofgwent]

Untrue,  apart from walk in private emergency departments in some London private hospitals there is at least one in Manchester another in Kent and has been for years(and elsewhere)
Self pay for walk in emergency consultation

Are you confusing the "pay £50-£100 to see a GP now" as offered by the Spire (previously BUPA) private hospitals with a proper A&E with resus facility ?

When a patient's private care goes tits and they need to be blue lighted BUPA DONT throw the NHS a bung ...

[cromwell]

Untrue,  apart from walk in private emergency departments in some London private hospitals there is at least one in Manchester another in Kent and has been for years(and elsewhere)
Self pay for walk in emergency consultation

No they are not A&E

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[Ratcliff]

There are no private hospitals in the the UK with A+E depts.

Untrue,  apart from walk in private emergency departments in some London private hospitals there is at least one in Manchester another in Kent and has been for years(and elsewhere)
Self pay for walk in emergency consultation

[cromwell]

There are private casualty departments at some private hospitals and many private hospitals have high dependency and/or intensive care facilities
I'm unaware of treatments only carried out solely by the NHS (please feel free to enlighten me and I will check your claim) , vice versa maybe as there are treatments availably privately that are not carried out by the NHS

There are no private hospitals in the the UK with A+E depts.

[Nick]

So they do not provide comprehensive all risks health cover.

I wouldn't worry about it, you can't afford it anyway.

[cromwell]

Private hospitals do not provide private health insurance cover ,that is the job of  insurance companies who operate in that field

And the problem with that is like all insurance companies they do their best not to pay up.