Cost of living crisis not Johnson’s concern…

Started by patman post, August 08, 2022, 05:33:32 PM

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Sheepy

Quote from: patman post on August 09, 2022, 07:39:53 PM
I'm a Tory supporter.

You're a Boris supporter.

I was a Boris supporter too, when he was Mayor of London — there he could do little harm, act the jovial clown, and get the feel-good factor going in a way Labour can never manage.

Now — according to YouGov — 66% of the country regards him as imcompetent as PM, and 54% actively dislike him.

Added to that, 76% see him as untrustworthy, 54% see him as weak, 62% see him as indecisive, and only 26% see him as Right Wing.

Not only is the UK rudderless — in the opinion of Toots — but it's had a crap captain for the past three years...

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/Boris_Johnson?content=trackers

Be as funny as hell, if he sneaks back in the cabinet at some point.
Just because I don't say anything, it doesn't mean I haven't noticed!

johnofgwent

Quote from: Nick on August 09, 2022, 06:32:19 PM
I don't care if he's a chancer and in your eyes a fraud. You say he swans off, I say he just goes on holiday.
As a Tory supporter I wish he was on the ballot paper so I could vote him on again.
The problem there is he forgets, as do his underlings, that while they charge around in convoys of cars crashing red lights with blue lights and sirens, that is because lots of people would shoot at them if they stopped for the lights.

And they think this ability to ignore the law when the police allow it spreads to other areas of their existence.
<t>In matters of taxation, Lord Clyde\'s summing up in the 1929 case Inland Revenue v Ayrshire Pullman Services is worth a glance.</t>

T00ts

Quote from: patman post on August 09, 2022, 07:39:53 PM
I'm a Tory supporter.

You're a Boris supporter.

I was a Boris supporter too, when he was Mayor of London — there he could do little harm, act the jovial clown, and get the feel-good factor going in a way Labour can never manage.

Now — according to YouGov — 66% of the country regards him as imcompetent as PM, and 54% actively dislike him.

Added to that, 76% see him as untrustworthy, 54% see him as weak, 62% see him as indecisive, and only 26% see him as Right Wing.

Not only is the UK rudderless — in the opinion of Toots — but it's had a crap captain for the past three years...

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/Boris_Johnson?content=trackers
Don't we all realise this? Isn't this the result of Boris not being in the recognised mould of a Conservative PM? We knew this when he took the leadership. He was the only one to promise to get us out of the EU. The other candidate was Hunt for goodness sake. Have we forgotten so soon what turmoil Parliament was in? Have we forgotten a speaker, Bercow, who bent every rule possible in order to frustrate the Referendum result? Even now try as he might Hoyle hasn't really got a handle on it. I have said it so many times, Boris is a maverick. He is very clever but not a details man. His brain quite obviously runs much faster than his mouth, hence his jumbled speeches. I agree he is not up to the humdrum day to day running of the country. Is that a reason to string him up as so many would wish to? 

His private life is questionable, but I defend his right to his privacy on that. All those who judge him must be absolute paragons. There have been enough immoral PMs in the past who history would claim did a good job. I agree that he has swung it but perhaps he believes happy wife happy life. That is one area where he has been weak. He was a 'success' in London because he delegated. In Westminster there has been a dearth of talent purely because he would only entertain Brexit believers and not use the talent on the back benches. He has been his own worst enemy but what I cannot abide is the treatment of the man by those who should have known better.

patman post

Quote from: Nick on August 09, 2022, 06:32:19 PM
I don't care if he's a chancer and in your eyes a fraud. You say he swans off, I say he just goes on holiday.
As a Tory supporter I wish he was on the ballot paper so I could vote him on again.
I'm a Tory supporter.

You're a Boris supporter.

I was a Boris supporter too, when he was Mayor of London — there he could do little harm, act the jovial clown, and get the feel-good factor going in a way Labour can never manage.

Now — according to YouGov — 66% of the country regards him as imcompetent as PM, and 54% actively dislike him.

Added to that, 76% see him as untrustworthy, 54% see him as weak, 62% see him as indecisive, and only 26% see him as Right Wing. 

Not only is the UK rudderless — in the opinion of Toots — but it's had a crap captain for the past three years...

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/Boris_Johnson?content=trackers
On climate change — we're talking, we're beginning to act, but we're still not doing enough...

patman post

Quote from: cromwell on August 09, 2022, 06:45:51 PM
I just want someone with some standards,and ability.....big ask i know.

And if they get problems sorted, put reliable lieutenants in charge, then they can grab a bit of holiday...
On climate change — we're talking, we're beginning to act, but we're still not doing enough...

T00ts

Quote from: cromwell on August 09, 2022, 06:45:51 PM
I just want someone with some standards,and ability.....big ask i know.
Oh you're not alone! 

cromwell

Quote from: Nick on August 09, 2022, 06:32:19 PM
I don't care if he's a chancer and in your eyes a fraud. You say he swans off, I say he just goes on holiday.
As a Tory supporter I wish he was on the ballot paper so I could vote him on again.
I just want someone with some standards,and ability.....big ask i know.
Energy....secure and affordable,not that hard is it?

Nick

Quote from: patman post on August 08, 2022, 07:15:26 PM
As PM, he deserves little more than contempt. He's proved himself to be a chancer, a liar, and a fraud. Then he swans off on holiday with six weeks to go before he actually leaves the job!!!

Being PM should not be about keeping the seat warm — there's a deputy who can do that if needed. Being PM is an actual responsible job. But Johnson, in his quest for Churchillian acclaim, has never appreciated it might actually mean doing some work, rather than being a jolly and actually doing a bit of boring work.

As a Tory supporter, I wish he'd gone as soon as his position became untenable, and a replacement had been installed within a week...
I don't care if he's a chancer and in your eyes a fraud. You say he swans off, I say he just goes on holiday. 
As a Tory supporter I wish he was on the ballot paper so I could vote him on again. 
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.

T00ts

Quote from: patman post on August 09, 2022, 05:24:09 PM
I'd like our Prime minister to behave like he holds the highest office in the land for his last few days in situ.

Cutting a deal to allow him to remain in the official residence while his successor is chosen, shouldn't have given him the right to bask in the adulation of his supporters while enjoying the trappings he's wheedled out of monied cohorts, and doing nothing useful.

As it is, should we have time to reflect on his time as PM while we're likely enjoying high interest rates, record inflation, energy shortages, etc, perhaps we'll think that nothing in his time in office became so well as the leaving of it...
Well I think that's an inevitable conclusion of the Boris haters. I'm sure you would like the PM to behave as you would wish but sadly he is not free to do so. Short of recalling parliament he can do nothing off his own back. Surely that's not impossible to understand. He is PM in name only. A situation created by those who created a silly brattish hysteria in Westminster and fell into their own mire. You changed the tune to calling for a GE, but sadly the PM can't call that either.  The truth of the matter is that we are rudderless for the rest of the month and then we will be into Party Conference season, so I doubt much serious business will happen until about November. Like I said before Westminster is out of control.
I read a quote by De Gaule today:-

In politics it is necessary either to betray one's country or the electorate. I prefer to betray the electorate.

Charles de Gaulle

patman post

I'd like our Prime minister to behave like he holds the highest office in the land for his last few days in situ.

Cutting a deal to allow him to remain in the official residence while his successor is chosen, shouldn't have given him the right to bask in the adulation of his supporters while enjoying the trappings he's wheedled out of monied cohorts, and doing nothing useful.

As it is, should we have time to reflect on his time as PM while we're likely enjoying high interest rates, record inflation, energy shortages, etc, perhaps we'll think that nothing in his time in office became so well as the leaving of it...
On climate change — we're talking, we're beginning to act, but we're still not doing enough...

T00ts

Quote from: patman post on August 09, 2022, 03:52:37 PM
Yes, he could take a few of the sleazy edges off his time in office by not choosing to ignore the warnings of impending cost of living and energy crises — something he failed to do when shown the Italian health service overwhelmed by Covid in 2020.

Excuses that his hands are tied is horse-feathers — with Boris and his supporters, everything is always the fault of someone else.

If he's still PM he can still act like one — why would any promises he's made to the cabinet matter? Honesty and reliability have not exactly been the hallmarks of his careers so far...
I think you simply want to castigate him for the sake of it. In all honesty he has a temporary Cabinet who are holding his feet to the fire should he want to do anything drastic and anyway they are all on their hols. I shouldn't think Boris care one way or the other given the hand he's been dealt. There is Truss and Sunak giving totally opposing views of the best way forward and let's face it what the rest of us think is irrelevant. It was widely reported that some wanted Boris to vacate before the recess and rather than leave he agreed terms. Patience is the only thing we can summon.

patman post

Quote from: T00ts on August 09, 2022, 02:21:40 PM
Are you suggesting he could redeem himself? For a start he is being forced to not make decisions by the Cabinet he pretends to lead and that apart his fate is already sealed by those still turning the knife. Why should he? How could he? Parliament is out of control and has been since the referendum.
Yes, he could take a few of the sleazy edges off his time in office by not choosing to ignore the warnings of impending cost of living and energy crises — something he failed to do when shown the Italian health service overwhelmed by Covid in 2020.

Excuses that his hands are tied is horse-feathers — with Boris and his supporters, everything is always the fault of someone else.

If he's still PM he can still act like one — why would any promises he's made to the cabinet matter? Honesty and reliability have not exactly been the hallmarks of his careers so far...
On climate change — we're talking, we're beginning to act, but we're still not doing enough...

T00ts

Quote from: patman post on August 09, 2022, 12:56:24 PM
But he's lied and broken the law so often why, when he could get dispensation for actually trying to forestall the predicted coming hardship for millions, does he actually refuse to earn the right to remain in No 10...?
Are you suggesting he could redeem himself? For a start he is being forced to not make decisions by the Cabinet he pretends to lead and that apart his fate is already sealed by those still turning the knife. Why should he? How could he? Parliament is out of control and has been since the referendum. 

patman post

Quote from: johnofgwent on August 09, 2022, 03:05:33 AM
Something like that, I believe

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62085034

I suppose when so many people resign you can't actually run a government it might be unsurprising that you returned the country to the state of stifled zombification you found it in when given the job.
But he's lied and broken the law so often why, when he could get dispensation for actually trying to forestall the predicted coming hardship for millions, does he actually refuse to earn the right to remain in No 10...?
On climate change — we're talking, we're beginning to act, but we're still not doing enough...

johnofgwent

Quote from: T00ts on August 08, 2022, 05:38:40 PM
Wasn't he told, and agreed to, no major decisions ...

Something like that, I believe

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62085034

I suppose when so many people resign you can't actually run a government it might be unsurprising that you returned the country to the state of stifled zombification you found it in when given the job.
<t>In matters of taxation, Lord Clyde\'s summing up in the 1929 case Inland Revenue v Ayrshire Pullman Services is worth a glance.</t>