What if Deal passes but subsequent HOC or Stormont votes are rejected

[Sheepy]

Now you get to attack the deal and Boris not the EU.

[Sheepy]

There's about 15 million plus 1 losers mentioned there, Javert.

Leave still have not been allowed a proper win. The 17.4 million + another 10,742 are still waiting.



It's now a bigger majority: 54/46

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1191415/brexit-news-comres-poll-boris-johnson-news-Leave-vote-Remain-vote">//https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1191415/brexit-news-comres-poll-boris-johnson-news-Leave-vote-Remain-vote



Tomorrow will be interesting to say the least.

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201920/cmagenda/ob191019.htm">//https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201920/cmagenda/ob191019.htm

Kicking off with prayers at 09:30.

It was only when they realised the leave vote had grown and anti-EU feeling was running at an all time high,that they scrambled a deal together,just saying.Which had to be pointed out for them.

[Barry]

There were only 1 XR protester on top of that train - there are 15 million+ remain voters.

There's about 15 million plus 1 losers mentioned there, Javert.

Leave still have not been allowed a proper win. The 17.4 million + another 10,742 are still waiting.



It's now a bigger majority: 54/46

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1191415/brexit-news-comres-poll-boris-johnson-news-Leave-vote-Remain-vote">//https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1191415/brexit-news-comres-poll-boris-johnson-news-Leave-vote-Remain-vote



Tomorrow will be interesting to say the least.

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201920/cmagenda/ob191019.htm">//https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201920/cmagenda/ob191019.htm

Kicking off with prayers at 09:30.

[Ciaphas]

Nah. It is a bit like the XR on the tube. The remainers have been indulged and acted like self centred pains in the arse for months and months, but now the leavers have had enough, pulled them off the roof of the train and are about to give them a good kicking.



Happy days  ::  ::  ::  ::

It was the ERG, DUP and an opposition who wanted a shot at negotiating their own version of Brexit that have stopped Brexit getting through Parliament, not remain supporters.



As a political entity remain supporters have had very little capacity to influence events within the executive and legislative. It's only on the judicial front that they have enjoyed any success but at best that route could only frustrate the executive or legislative, such as forcing Mrs May to have parliamentary support for triggering Article 50.



The last three years have very much been dominated by the playing out of divisions amongst leave supporters within the executive and legislative.

[cromwell]

You still don't get the point - no country can reach its full potential or even close to it, if half the country are bitterly opposed to the direction the country has taken and have been told to feck off by the other half.  This is not a recipe for the glorious future we have been promised.  The same goes the other way - if we don't leave the EU and remainers gloat about it then we will not succeed either.



There were only 1 XR protester on top of that train - there are 15 million+ remain voters.

Well I ain't going to gloat if we go and if in a decade there's another vote and the majority in their wisdom vote to join again I'd accept it.



But I think we're all getting ahead of ourselves the asylum hasn't voted yet and we may have much more travails to come.

[Javert]

Nah. It is a bit like the XR on the tube. The remainers have been indulged and acted like self centred pains in the arse for months and months, but now the leavers have had enough, pulled them off the roof of the train and are about to give them a good kicking.



Happy days  ::  ::  ::  ::

You still don't get the point - no country can reach its full potential or even close to it, if half the country are bitterly opposed to the direction the country has taken and have been told to feck off by the other half.  This is not a recipe for the glorious future we have been promised.  The same goes the other way - if we don't leave the EU and remainers gloat about it then we will not succeed either.



There were only 1 XR protester on top of that train - there are 15 million+ remain voters.

[Javert]

That's a bit rich,considering all the you didn't know what you were voting for,less educated,believe in unicorns,enchanted forest ,fairies,gammons

Yes it is - but I personally have never said those things and I don't agree with others who did say them.

[Borchester]

I heard an good program a while back where someone was making this exact point - it's actually the leave side who won the referendum who should have been trying to bring remainers on board for the last 3 years instead of insulting and ignoring them.

Nah. It is a bit like the XR on the tube. The remainers have been indulged and acted like self centred pains in the arse for months and months, but now the leavers have had enough, pulled them off the roof of the train and are about to give them a good kicking.



Happy days  ::  ::  ::  ::

[cromwell]

Doesn't matter - if half the country are angry and don't want to cooperate, that's the reality - you can say it's not fair, they should do what they are told etc etc.  Even if you are correct, it doesn't matter.  The leave side has completely failed to get the remain side on board with anything.  



I heard an good program a while back where someone was making this exact point - it's actually the leave side who won the referendum who should have been trying to bring remainers on board for the last 3 years instead of insulting and ignoring them.  In a situation like this it's the winners who have to bring the losers back into the fold - rather than doing this they deliberately increased the divisions.

That's a bit rich,considering all the you didn't know what you were voting for,less educated,believe in unicorns,enchanted forest ,fairies,gammons

[GerryT]

It's also a lesser scenario in play - from what I'm hearing, under this deal, if no trade deal with the EU is finalised by 31st December 2020, we go back to a no deal Brexit.



No dealers on this forum will be happy about that, and apparently the government are as usual telling each side what they want to here - i.e. voting for this deal will stop a no deal Brexit / voting for this side will deliver a no deal Brexit in 2020.



The other point here is that those who are ready to vote this through in order to get no deal in 2020, are often the same ones who've been saying we need to finalise things and move on, and yet now are happy to create another 14 months of businesses not knowing whether they are facing a no deal scenario.



Also, one of Labour's and Lib Dems and Greens main objections to the May deal was they wanted to protect workers rights and social rights.  This deal is actually worse than the May deal from that point of view.

yes and no. The original time line had the withdrawal agreement finishing at the end of 2020. but the original exit date has slipped and may slip even further depending on how things go. The most likely outcome will be the finish of the withdrawal agreement will be extended to end 2021 or even 2022. This will give tome for the UK and EU to negotiate a future trade deal.

My understand is at the end of the withdrawal agreement period if the EU/UK haven't agreed a future trade deal then the EU/UK will go on WTO terms, NI would remain in the special status agreement until such time that the people of NI would vote to leave that arrangement.

[T00ts]

I repeat - 4 years is a long time.

[Javert]

It's also a lesser scenario in play - from what I'm hearing, under this deal, if no trade deal with the EU is finalised by 31st December 2020, we go back to a no deal Brexit.



No dealers on this forum will be happy about that, and apparently the government are as usual telling each side what they want to here - i.e. voting for this deal will stop a no deal Brexit / voting for this side will deliver a no deal Brexit in 2020.



The other point here is that those who are ready to vote this through in order to get no deal in 2020, are often the same ones who've been saying we need to finalise things and move on, and yet now are happy to create another 14 months of businesses not knowing whether they are facing a no deal scenario.



Also, one of Labour's and Lib Dems and Greens main objections to the May deal was they wanted to protect workers rights and social rights.  This deal is actually worse than the May deal from that point of view.

[T00ts]

Four years for Ulster Toots and if anyone on mainland UK gives a toss about their dreary politics, non existent economy and medieval religions I have yet to meet them.



Otherwise, with a bit of luck and a following wind, the rest of the UK will be out of the EU by the end of the month.

  :clbrt:  :clbrt:  :clbrt:  :clbrt:  :clbrt: I could resist using the full quota!!

[Borchester]

Look what can happen in a week in politics. The mind blows at the thought of 4 years!

Four years for Ulster Toots and if anyone on mainland UK gives a toss about their dreary politics, non existent economy and medieval religions I have yet to meet them.



Otherwise, with a bit of luck and a following wind, the rest of the UK will be out of the EU by the end of the month.

[GerryT]

Thanks Gerry assuming you are correct that makes it more clear.

I'm guessing a bit, haven't heard all the details so stand to be corrected.