Brexit Countdown to no trade deal Version 5.1

[Nick]

[countdown=12,31,2020,23,1]happy new year[/countdown]

[Thomas]

Are you taking the pith?

[cromwell]

I maybe on my own but I Thought Lisa Nandy may have been the answer. Straight talking, honest and has a lisp. Don't ya just love a lisp

Are you taking the pith?

[Barry]

I maybe on my own but I Thought Lisa Nandy may have been the answer. Straight talking, honest and has a lisp. Don't ya just love a lisp.

Yes, she's quite sweet. But Labour like white male leaders, don't they?

[Nick]

I dont think labour could have picked a worse candidate to replace corbyn

I maybe on my own but I Thought Lisa Nandy may have been the answer. Straight talking, honest and has a lisp. Don't ya just love a lisp.

People of all political backgrounds are saying the same thing that the labour party has no future in its current out of touch form as it has betrayed everyone left right and centre.

Starmers attitude and tactical nous seems to be sit and try and appease everyone and hope we all forgive and forget while hoping the tories and snp make an almighty feck up.

I said before and i say again , if i can't or wont vote snp for whatever reason , and i can't get scot indy , i will vote against labour everytime. I will not vote for this party in any guise at any further point in my life .

The damage that they do , and have done repeatedly , every time they are in power , is unforgivable.

I'm the same as you, Satan will be skating to work before I ever vote Labour. They are a party of pretence:

They pretend to care about workers and their rights.
They pretend to care about the economy.
They pretend they know how to handle the purse strings.

It's all BS, they're shouting workers rights now with the Brexit deal, knowing full well they're not going to be damaged.
They go on about Debt to GDP rising, again in full knowledge they set the train running and that Covid has screwed an economy that had just stabilised.

As for the treasury 😂, I wouldn't trust Labour to go to the corner shop and get me a quarter of American Cream Soda.

[Thomas]

Like i said he is getting some stick on twitter , and yet again appears to have made a major tactical error over brexit , as he did when he undermined corbyn at the GE last december and his tactics saw labour routed.

https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1344264194133286912

Anyway brexiters enjoy your night , and best wishes.

[Thomas]

People of all political backgrounds are saying the same thing that the labour party has no future in its current out of touch form as it has betrayed everyone left right and centre.

Starmers attitude and tactical nous seems to be sit and try and appease everyone and hope we all forgive and forget while hoping the tories and snp make an almighty feck up.

I said before and i say again , if i cant or wont vote snp for whatever reason , and i cant get scot indy , i will vote against labour everytime. I will not vote for this party in any guise at any further point in my life .

The damage that they do , and have done repeatedly , every time they are in power , is unforgiveable.

[Thomas]

cheers cromwell and all the best to all for the new year as well!

Toots, without doubt starmer is an out and out europhile.

Labour havent changed their pro eu spots one single bit , and of course the electorate know it.

Starmer as we can see is desperately trying to park the brexit bus now , regain his lost seats in the brexiting red wall , has signed brown up to help him in scotland( no laughing at the back please) , and to be honest he is being slaughtered on every internet site , social media platform and mainstream media that i go on or read.

Tactically the man , and his party , are fools. I dont think labour could have picked a worse candidate to replace corbyn , and as we can see , its the out of touch london centric pro eu party that is pushing labour and its direction rather than any thought for the genuine well being of scotland or the north or england.

Voting fodder! labour needs you!

Hell mend anyone who votes in this clown and his team of backstabbers.

This meme is still popping up everywhere....

[T00ts]

I hope you enjoy tomorrow night cromwell. You and everyone else on here who voted brexit deserve it.

I have stood and said many a time the events of the last four years or so , and the behaviour of the likes of tony blair , keir starmer , and many on the left , including their groundtroops on forums such as these like gerry , beelbeeb and javert to name but a few , have been nothing short of disgracefull.

For my part , who did , like deppity dawg , vote remain , i can honestly say i will be glad to hear the last of it..........for now anyway.

The argument over the old EEC membership/EU have raged as we all know many years. I well remember as i say many a time when i first joined this forums predescessor in 2009/10 , it was a big part of political debate even then , with the likes of greg lance watkins and streetwalker being the main two from memory supporting ukip or at least brexit.

...and long before that.

Then we had the period running up to the 2015 election , and camerons promise , fresh off the back of victory over us  , to implement a brexit referendum if he won GE2015.

That was a year or two of yet more battle , and of course brexiters won. Since then , its taken as we all know 4 and a half years to get brexit finally implemented , much to the disgust of anti democrats.

...and here we are on the cusp of your victory , and democracies victory , so genuinely believe me when i say i hope you enjoy it , you and everyone else on here deserve it.

I hope though you and many others normally inclined to vote labour dont forget their behaviour , and their troops on the ground on forums like this.

You know  , as do i , labour and the blairite faction heading them are merely licking their eu wounds , rather than being beaten dogs and giving up hope of rejoining the eu in one way or the other.

This is a good article here i thought you might like to read about starmer and his ambitions...

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/starmer-s-brexit-slip-up-could-cost-him-the-election/amp

I thought it a good article , and there can be no doubt whatever labour or theri supproters say for the next election which may seem years away , but is still not that far in political years , starmer will have the uk back into the eu by hook or by crook if he wins the next election .

I saw gove making the point as well to him how all throught the last few years starmer has done every thing in his power to disrespect  the people of the uk voting leave , and still to this day , no matter what labour spin doctors say , still believes in the uk being tied as closely to eu rules as possible.

So enjoy your night cromwell , but dont forget , as we scottish havent once forgot labour behaviour to us in 2014 , of the red labour knife in the dark into your back as they try and regain your vote from you that they lost previously over brexit.

I thought it interesting and revealing that Starmer today in his HofC speech on the Brexit deal gave his support and on the surface, support of our new ex EU future, but shrouded in there was reference to a close association with the EU going forward and it didn't seem all that far removed from saying that he would slowly but surely re-align us. I have 2 wishes.
1) that we make fast and secure headway leaving the EU standing all amazed
2) that the EU is at last divested of the invisible cloak it wears and other members follow us out.

He is still a Europhile.

[cromwell]

I hope you enjoy tomorrow night cromwell. You and everyone else on here who voted brexit deserve it.

I have stood and said many a time the events of the last four years or so , and the behaviour of the likes of tony blair , keir starmer , and many on the left , including their groundtroops on forums such as these like gerry , beelbeeb and javert to name but a few , have been nothing short of disgracefull.

For my part , who did , like deppity dawg , vote remain , i can honestly say i will be glad to hear the last of it..........for now anyway.

The argument over the old EEC membership/EU have raged as we all know many years. I well remember as i say many a time when i first joined this forums predescessor in 2009/10 , it was a big part of political debate even then , with the likes of greg lance watkins and streetwalker being the main two from memory supporting ukip or at least brexit.

...and long before that.

Then we had the period running up to the 2015 election , and camerons promise , fresh off the back of victory over us  , to implement a brexit referendum if he won GE2015.

That was a year or two of yet more battle , and of course brexiters won. Since then , its taken as we all know 4 and a half years to get brexit finally implemented , much to the disgust of anti democrats.

...and here we are on the cusp of your victory , and democracies victory , so genuinely believe me when i say i hope you enjoy it , you and everyone else on here deserve it.

I hope though you and many others normally inclined to vote labour dont forget their behaviour , and their troops on the ground on forums like this.

You know  , as do i , labour and the blairite faction heading them are merely licking their eu wounds , rather than being beaten dogs and giving up hope of rejoining the eu in one way or the other.

This is a good article here i thought you might like to read about starmer and his ambitions...

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/starmer-s-brexit-slip-up-could-cost-him-the-election/amp

I thought it a good article , and there can be no doubt whatever labour or theri supproters say for the next election which may seem years away , but is still not that far in political years , starmer will have the uk back into the eu by hook or by crook if he wins the next election .

I saw gove making the point as well to him how all throught the last few years starmer has done every thing in his power to disrespect  the people of the uk voting leave , and still to this day , no matter what labour spin doctors say , still believes in the uk being tied as closely to eu rules as possible.

So enjoy your night cromwell , but dont forget , as we scottish havent once forgot labour behaviour to us in 2014 , of the red labour knife in the dark into your back as they try and regain your vote from you that they lost previously over brexit.

Cheers Thomas and thanks for that,a good post.

Wishing you and yours well and hoping 2021 is better.

[Thomas]

for accuracy shouldn't that be calculator?

I hope you enjoy tomorrow night cromwell. You and everyone else on here who voted brexit deserve it.

I have stood and said many a time the events of the last four years or so , and the behaviour of the likes of tony blair , keir starmer , and many on the left , including their groundtroops on forums such as these like gerry , beelbeeb and javert to name but a few , have been nothing short of disgracefull.

For my part , who did , like deppity dawg , vote remain , i can honestly say i will be glad to hear the last of it..........for now anyway.

The argument over the old EEC membership/EU have raged as we all know many years. I well remember as i say many a time when i first joined this forums predescessor in 2009/10 , it was a big part of political debate even then , with the likes of greg lance watkins and streetwalker being the main two from memory supporting ukip or at least brexit.

...and long before that.

Then we had the period running up to the 2015 election , and camerons promise , fresh off the back of victory over us  , to implement a brexit referendum if he won GE2015.

That was a year or two of yet more battle , and of course brexiters won. Since then , its taken as we all know 4 and a half years to get brexit finally implemented , much to the disgust of anti democrats.

...and here we are on the cusp of your victory , and democracies victory , so genuinely believe me when i say i hope you enjoy it , you and everyone else on here deserve it.

I hope though you and many others normally inclined to vote labour dont forget their behaviour , and their troops on the ground on forums like this.

You know  , as do i , labour and the blairite faction heading them are merely licking their eu wounds , rather than being beaten dogs and giving up hope of rejoining the eu in one way or the other.

This is a good article here i thought you might like to read about starmer and his ambitions...

Starmer's Brexit slip-up could cost him the election

mid all the euphoria about Boris Johnson sealing a final Brexit deal and the breaking-off of politics for pared down Christmas celebrations, perhaps you didn't notice Keir Starmer losing the next election.

Well, I did. And while I cannot be quite certain that Sir Keir has blown it absolutely for 2024 – events dear boy, events and all that – the evidence that he has done so would definitely pass a "balance of probabilities" test.

Starmer's momentum horribilis came during his Christmas Eve press conference responding to the news of Johnson's deal.

Asked what a future Labour administration would do about a deal that he clearly considered sadly lacking in many respects, the Labour leader's true disposition just slipped out. He replied: "Of course we would want to improve on it, but we would have to operate to this deal. It is very important that we are in a position to say we go into that election building on this deal."

One or two sharp-eyed commentators immediately clocked the significance of these remarks. As Tom Newton Dunn of Times Radio put it on Twitter, the remarks implied Labour would rewrite the agreement. Newton Dunn tweeted: "Starmer has just fired the first shot of the 2024 general election – and made it, guess what, another Brexit election."

Shortly afterwards Labour sources briefed him as follows: "We are not reopening it, we are not rewriting it and we're not proposing any legal changes."

When unnamed sources issue "clarifications" like that about on-camera statements just made by the party leader, one can be sure that they know that a dangerous message has been conveyed.

    The Labour leader has been caught on video letting the cat out of the bag

But it is already too late. Because, as the Remainer who initially promised to respect the referendum verdict and then went back on his word by trying to overturn Brexit, Starmer cannot rely on the benefit of the doubt in the eyes of his lost Red Wall Leave voters.

The Labour leader has been caught on video letting the cat out of the bag. The Conservatives can now open-up on him at their leisure. What hard-won sovereignty does he envisage sacrificing in pursuit of allegedly superior trading arrangements? Will he pledge to give the people a veto on any new agreements he enters into with Brussels by holding a referendum on them? Given his conduct on matters EU over the past four years, isn't he really limbering up to start a long march to rejoining? Or is he merely proposing to restart the salami-slicing of UK sovereignty by means of a never-ending series of tweaks? And remember Labour has plenty of form on this, stretching back to when Peter Hain sought to pass off the proposed European Constitution as a mere "tidying up exercise".

There are no good answers to these questions for Starmer. They all involve him sinking deeper into a quagmire from which his advisers are desperate for him to escape.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/starmer-s-brexit-slip-up-could-cost-him-the-election/amp

I thought it a good article , and there can be no doubt whatever labour or theri supproters say for the next election which may seem years away , but is still not that far in political years , starmer will have the uk back into the eu by hook or by crook if he wins the next election .

I saw gove making the point as well to him how all throught the last few years starmer has done every thing in his power to disrespect  the people of the uk voting leave , and still to this day , no matter what labour spin doctors say , still believes in the uk being tied as closely to eu rules as possible.

So enjoy your night cromwell , but dont forget , as we scottish havent once forgot labour behaviour to us in 2014 , of the red labour knife in the dark into your back as they try and regain your vote from you that they lost previously over brexit.

[Sheepy]

Nothing to see here, move along. 

[cromwell]

I have a funny feeling its going to be awfully quiet on here the morra night and gerry and the boys absent without leave.

Javert will be crying into his shandy and beelbeeb will  be sobbing at his pimms

for accuracy shouldn't that be calculator?

[DeppityDawg]

Thanks Nick. 

[countdown=12,31,2020,23,1]happy new year[/countdown]

Woo. Never saw that ................................................... fecking clever arse.

[DeppityDawg]

We're escaping from the Hotel California, Dawg!

Wait till you get the bill. Me and Thomas have been charging all our drinks to your room

Still look on the bright side. It will still probably be cheaper than Javerts tissues