Pathetic sentencing

[Baron von Lotsov]

She had mental had problems, was unable to administer her medication correctly, and was drinking to excess which made her behave objectionably and violent in public. Seems she was more likely to damage herself along with other people if left to look after herself...

It was a fascist trial through and through. You could make any old cobblers up like that.



True she was taking medication for depression. She was one harassed woman, suffering from the alienation in a foreign culture and had lost her job as a dentist's receptionist. Unemployment can make depression worse, but you have to be a total bastard to think putting her in prison for Christmas is going to cheer her up. What did cheer her up was the help from the kind folk of Britain First, the Goldstein organisation which is highly racist, sent letters of support and Christmas cards, and in the end she did feel a little better, but no thanks to the evil bastards we pay as police and all the others in the system who make this crap up.



This is not British justice. This is foreign justice, like the kind you would get in Iran.

[patman post]

They did, but it was before they convinced her. She was told she would spend Christmas in prison for her own safety. Clearly the 11 million state thugs were likely to harm her according to the experts.

She had mental had problems, was unable to administer her medication correctly, and was drinking to excess which made her behave objectionably and violent in public. Seems she was more likely to damage herself along with other people if left to look after herself...

[Baron von Lotsov]

No they didn't send her to prison:-







A woman who was filmed shouting racist abuse on a London tram in a video watched by 11 million people has been given a community sentence.

Emma West, 36, of New Addington, admitted racially-aggravated disorderly behaviour likely to cause harassment or distress at Croydon Crown Court.

They did, but it was before they convinced her. She was told she would spend Christmas in prison for her own safety. Clearly the 11 million state thugs were likely to harm her according to the experts.

[Churchill]

Never read the Quran read some of the Bible, as for the Mayor of London don't trust him at all

[johnofgwent]

Khan the London Bridge Terrorist I believe was helped in prison to change his ways , it didn't work

That's no way to talk about the Mayor





Oh the OTHER Khan...



I guess you haven't read up what their holy book says about deceiving the infidel to achieve the will of Allah then ...

[patman post]

He was a conman, he told them he was a reformed proper Muslim, guv'ner.

What part of stabbing two people to death needs to be emphasised to show that not enough expertise, money and time was put into assessing, while in prison, the danger he posed to the public...?

[papasmurf]

They found space in the prison for Emma West in Croydon, and she had only caused words of hurt.

No they didn't send her to prison:-



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-23128956">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-23128956



A woman who was filmed shouting racist abuse on a London tram in a video watched by 11 million people has been given a community sentence.

Emma West, 36, of New Addington, admitted racially-aggravated disorderly behaviour likely to cause harassment or distress at Croydon Crown Court.

[Churchill]

He was a conman, he told them he was a reformed proper Muslim, guv'ner.

More than likely played the system, however with Khan the Parole Board was not even involved in his release

[Churchill]

Who is Emma West and why was she sent to prison? this thread is not about prison spaces but the sentences handed down which some people consider to be too lenient for serious crime and are released early

[Baron von Lotsov]

The Police must comply with the legislation



From the moment any suspect is arrested the Police have just 24 hours in which to either charge a suspect or release them, for serious offences a Senior Officer on advice from the CPS can authorise a short period of further detention, or the suspect has to be put in front of a Court for the Court to authorise further detention back into Police custody



Suspected Terrorists can be detained longer but only for so long, they then must be put before a Court if the Police want to hold them longer before charge or they too must be released if not charged.



From CPS website.



[load of crap]

They found space in the prison for Emma West in Croydon, and she had only caused words of hurt.

[Barry]

What part of stabbing two people to death needs to be emphasised to show that not enough expertise, money and time was put into assessing, while in prison, the danger he posed to the public...?

He was a conman, he told them he was a reformed proper Muslim, guv'ner.

[Churchill]

They have been trying to help prisoners reform your years, there are more organisations looking after offenders than looking after their victims many of whom are serving longer sentences some for a lifetime.

[patman post]

IMO



No matter how much money you spend or how much time you spend or amount of experts who try , you cannot guarantee  that you will succeed in stopping some people from committing crimes or acts of terror on their release

I'm afraid you're correct in the attitude of the moment. But I believe better qualified personnel and facilities would lessen the risk. Unfortunately, as you say, the pop pandering reaction to lock 'em up and pay lip service to assessment and training means we all lose. No guarantees. But qualified assessors and well trained prison and training personnel who make realistic appraisals of offenders before sanctioning their release could help. It won't be cheap, or satisfy those who bay for blood, but we've only tried the hand-wringing liberal "they're all good at heart with soft words" or the incarceration and amateur assessment approaches so far. And they've failed to make us feel safe...

[Churchill]

What part of stabbing two people to death needs to be emphasised to show that not enough expertise, money and time was put into assessing, while in prison, the danger he posed to the public...?

IMO



No matter how much money you spend or how much time you spend or amount of experts who try , you cannot guarantee  that you will succeed in stopping some people from committing crimes or acts of terror on their release

[Churchill]

The Police must comply with the legislation



From the moment any suspect is arrested the Police have just 24 hours in which to either charge a suspect or release them, for serious offences a Senior Officer on advice from the CPS can authorise a short period of further detention, or the suspect has to be put in front of a Court for the Court to authorise further detention back into Police custody



Suspected Terrorists can be detained longer but only for so long, they then must be put before a Court if the Police want to hold them longer before charge or they too must be released if not charged.



From CPS website.



Police Bail



Pre-Charge this can be imposed:Where there is as yet insufficient evidence to charge a suspect and he is released pending further investigation (ss. 37(2), 34(2) and 34(5) of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 (PACE)).



Where it is no longer necessary to detain a suspect to secure or preserve evidence or obtain it by questioning, yet the police are not in a position to charge, the suspect must be released, but it is open to the police to release him on bail or without bail where there is a need for further investigation of any matter for which he was detained.



Where s. 37(2) PACE is cited and the custody officer has authorised the release of the suspect, having determined that there is currently insufficient evidence to charge, he may be released pending the obtaining of further evidence with bail where the pre-conditions for bail are satisfied or without bail (release under investigation) where the pre-conditions for bail are not met.



When bail is granted conditions of bail can be attached where necessary to prevent the suspect from failing to surrender, offending on bail, interfering with prosecution witnesses or otherwise obstructing the course of justice, or for his own protection.



 Bail granted in these circumstances is subject to time limits and levels of authority set out in more detail below (Pre-Charge police bail after 3 April 2017). Where s. 34 PACE is cited (for example, where detailed and lengthy investigation is required and no assessment of the evidence can be made), no conditions of bail can be imposed - see R (on an application by Torres) v Metropolitan Police Commissioner [2007] EWHC 3212.



Where the police consider that there is sufficient evidence to charge, but the matter must be referred to the CPS for a charging decision (s. 37(7)(a) PACE).



See s.37B PACE and the Director's Guidance on Charging for guidance and procedure relating to the provision of charging advice by the CPS.

In order to obtain this advice, the police may release a suspect on bail to return to the police station at a future date and may impose conditions on that bail (s. 47(1A) PACE. Bail granted in these circumstances is NOT subject to time limits and levels of authority.



 For more detail see guidance below on Pre-Charge police bail after 3 April 2017.



Such advice will normally be provided under the Full Code Test of the Code for Crown Prosecutors prior to the suspect's return. Under the Code for Crown Prosecutors the Threshold Test may only be applied where the prosecutor is satisfied that all of the following five requirements are met:

there are reasonable grounds to suspect that the person to be charged has committed the offence.



and further evidence can be obtained to prove a realistic prospect of conviction,

and the seriousness or the circumstances of the case justifies the making of an immediate charging decision

and there are continuing substantial grounds to object to bail in accordance with the Bail Act 1976

and, in all the circumstances of the case, it is proper to do so,

and it is in the public interest to charge the suspect