What a surprise - food standards being dropped for US deal

[johnofgwent]

The US rationale is that some bacteria is perfectly fine, even salmonella, because you are going to cook it.



If that were true there would never be any food poisoning from under cooked meat ever.



That is self evidently wrong.  Food gets under cooked/cross contaminated all the time at which point you are relying on the quality of the food before you cooked it.



If there is a higher % of food in the supply chain that will make you sick if not cooked correctly then there will be more cases of food poisoning.

Your two first sentences make no sense together.



It is a fact that many raw foods in the uk have some degree of contamination. It is this fact that drives the advice to pregnant women that there is a whole range of things they should avoid eating without ensuring they are WELL cooked so as to be sure those bugs ARE killed in the cooking process

[patman post]

Foo standards? If American food is let it it will be poo standards.

In my limited experience, the US excels at fast food, grills and seafood. Unfortunately, it's badly imitated elsewhere, and most of the genuine US outlets that emigrate are chains from the industrialised end of the market...

[Streetwalker]

"No. I have made it perfectly clear, and indeed this is something on which all members of the Government are agreed"

https://news.sky.com/story/gove-rules-out-imports-of-us-chlorine-chicken-in-post-brexit-trade-deal-10962562">//https://news.sky.com/story/gove-rules-out-imports-of-us-chlorine-chicken-in-post-brexit-trade-deal-10962562



Doesn't seem very confusing to me.

That's what Gove said , what the people doing the talking said was completely different . I think your clucking at straws on this matter Nalaar .

[papasmurf]

Just found this:-



More at link:-



https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2020/05/report-says-u-s-is-failing-food-safety-101-incidence-of-illnesses-still-increasing/">https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2020/05/ ... ncreasing/">https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2020/05/report-says-u-s-is-failing-food-safety-101-incidence-of-illnesses-still-increasing/

Report says U.S. is failing food safety 101; incidence of illnesses still increasing

By Coral Beach on May 1, 2020

Attempts to reduce food poisoning are failing as the U.S. incidence of foodborne illnesses continues to increase. Infections from five of eight pathogens tracked by the CDC are on the rise.



Initial analysis of data comparing the period from 2016-2018 with numbers for 2019 (see table below) shows that the federal government's Healthy People 2020 targets for reducing foodborne illness will not be met, according to the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR) published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

[Nalaar]

From What I recall Gove as Environment sec was voicing an opinion .Liam Fox was Trade sec and was uncommitted on wether would be on the table so to speak . Maybe confusing for some looking for a definitive answer but that's the Torys for you

"No. I have made it perfectly clear, and indeed this is something on which all members of the Government are agreed"

https://news.sky.com/story/gove-rules-out-imports-of-us-chlorine-chicken-in-post-brexit-trade-deal-10962562">//https://news.sky.com/story/gove-rules-out-imports-of-us-chlorine-chicken-in-post-brexit-trade-deal-10962562



Doesn't seem very confusing to me.

[Streetwalker]

and if it so happens that this "bargaining" requires lying to the public, then so be it?

From What I recall Gove as Environment sec was voicing an opinion .Liam Fox was Trade sec and was uncommitted on wether would be on the table so to speak . Maybe confusing for some looking for a definitive answer but that's the Torys for you

[Nalaar]

When negotiating a deal you always say things that can be used to bargain with . ''We wont under any circumstances have your chicken''  means we will if we get X and Y .

and if it so happens that this "bargaining" requires lying to the public, then so be it?

[Streetwalker]

Why was Gove so vocal about not accepting that we would reduce our standards to allow this chicken a few short years ago?

When negotiating a deal you always say things that can be used to bargain with . ''We wont under any circumstances have your chicken''  means we will if we get X and Y .

[Barry]

Why was Gove so vocal about not accepting that we would reduce our standards to allow this chicken a few short years ago?

Don't ask me. Perhaps he had not read this forum or its predecessor. Perhaps a few short years is an oxymoron in politics when a week is a long time.

[Nalaar]

It's not even about food hygiene really, is it? It's about protectionism within the EU, as they don't want to import chicken from the USA.

The EU agree that chlorine washed chicken is acceptable, but they keep their rule because of their "beliefs".

https://fullfact.org/europe/does-eu-say-its-safe-eat-chicken-rinsed-chlorine/">//https://fullfact.org/europe/does-eu-say-its-safe-eat-chicken-rinsed-chlorine/



Amusing line in that link:



I wonder if that was intentional.  ::

Why was Gove so vocal about not accepting that we would reduce our standards to allow this chicken a few short years ago?

[Barry]

If food is cooked properly how it is washed or not washed is irrelevant . Ive spent many a vacation is the US and never had any problems with the food .



No ,its not what happens post mortem but about animal welfare that is the issue for me . Issues that make food production cheaper may be good for me when I sit down for lunch at Applebee's but maybe not so for British farmers facing competition of cheap imports .

 

Its not really that big a problem for a bi lateral trade deal to overcome ,its only when the EU try to get involved that more chapters  are added to the deal .



We can not go down the road of taking the sensitivities of the EU into consideration when making trade deals with others .  The whole point of leaving is that their nonsense becomes irrelevant .



 :Patriot:

It's not even about food hygiene really, is it? It's about protectionism within the EU, as they don't want to import chicken from the USA.

The EU agree that chlorine washed chicken is acceptable, but they keep their rule because of their "beliefs".

https://fullfact.org/europe/does-eu-say-its-safe-eat-chicken-rinsed-chlorine/">//https://fullfact.org/europe/does-eu-say-its-safe-eat-chicken-rinsed-chlorine/



Amusing line in that link:

That means the UK, as an EU member, currently imports a paltry amount from the US.

I wonder if that was intentional.  ::

[BeElBeeBub]

I think that is why most of us cook our chicken before eating it.



Clearly things are different in the West Country

The US rationale is that some bacteria is perfectly fine, even salmonella, because you are going to cook it.



If that were true there would never be any food poisoning from under cooked meat ever.



That is self evidently wrong.  Food gets under cooked/cross contaminated all the time at which point you are relying on the quality of the food before you cooked it.



If there is a higher % of food in the supply chain that will make you sick if not cooked correctly then there will be more cases of food poisoning.

[BeElBeeBub]

Food standards? Or Welfare standards.



The headline you put up does not sit well with the first paragraph of the article text which says specifically it is WELFARE standards that are being lowered.



So which is it ?



And why does a country that inside the EU and outside it for literally centuries have the moral ground to whinge about a final welfare while it allies the jews to slaughter animals in kosher slaughterhouses. And why forvthat matter is there such a fuss about halal ones but never a peep about the kosher ones that prepared the meat for a string of prime ministers and loads of front benches going back centuries .....

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the two things are interlinked.



It's a fundamental difference in philosophy



The US doesn't worry about sanitation during the rearing process because it washes everything with biocides.  They don't bother ensuring that salads aren't irrigated with water containing e.coli because they will wash it later etc



The UK takes the approach it's better to rely on preventing the contamination in the first place than to rely on washing it off after.



There is evidence the US approach does result in more food poisoning cases (often with salads - they don't have mandatory testing for e.coli in their irrigation water, so any failure in the washing process can lead to contaminated products)

[johnofgwent]

Food standards? Or Welfare standards.



The headline you put up does not sit well with the first paragraph of the article text which says specifically it is WELFARE standards that are being lowered.



So which is it ?



And why does a country that inside the EU and outside it for literally centuries have the moral ground to whinge about a final welfare while it allies the jews to slaughter animals in kosher slaughterhouses. And why forvthat matter is there such a fuss about halal ones but never a peep about the kosher ones that prepared the meat for a string of prime ministers and loads of front benches going back centuries .....

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[papasmurf]

Well, sort of. I got as far as the bit about the Tories begging Trump to lace baby milk with rat poison and then send it to the UK where Boris would take personal charge of distributing it to single mums on council estates and then my eyes started to glaze over.



I am not saying that it is a bad idea, but I have heard it before.  

Borchester stop being an effing idiot. You are a waste of time. If you wish to remain in ignorance that is very much your problem.

I posted those links to serious research to inform people.