Labour anti-Semitism row: Long-Bailey allies urge Starmer to reinstate her

[Good old]

keeping Israel, out of public comment ,

That is impossible. Commenting about the shabby tactics of the Israeli government  and Benjamin Netanayu's  doubtful nature is not antisemitic.
Starmer has painted himself into a corner.

I agree the reality is that  to criticize Israeli, government tactics does not reflect on anyone other than that government.  For political purposes that is not an accepted fact in British politics. And if the Labour Party seriously wants unity in its own ranks it should not destroy its self over the policies of a foreign state.
Starmer, is only in a corner  if it is accepted that Labour is  two entities that can not live together . If so that's not his doing. He believes in MPs keeping their own council on this issue and by doing so showing discipline and unity. They are going to be painted antisemitic , every time the subject of Israel, comes out, truthful or not. It's obvious what they should do if they don't want to be laughed out of any possibility of casting off unwarranted antisemitic allegations.

So how does he win. Take a knee at Auswitz ? Or just keep saying no comment every time Netanuahu acts to further the cause of zionism ?

basically, the only way this is really going ot be resolved is for Labour to have a good, long look at the speech Gerald Kaufmann made a while ago and either destroy him (which will please his puppet masters in the knesset) or beatigy him (which will have the times of israel and jewish chronicle making the same noises about starmer that they made about corbyn, that no labour leader who is not a "FRIEND OF ISRAEL" can be allowed.....

Basically he reduces all comment on Israel's actions to official comment .In other words ,no one fires from the hip under any circumstance and if they do , what is said is disowned and they find themselves out. No guesses ,no furthering tittle tattle. Only considered diplomatic responses. Israel, doesn't like criticism. And they have interfered in British politics, in  a way that leaves little to the imagination. Starmer, just needs to put an end to his ground being dirtied by silly unfounded not very important comments . And save the comments to be sound well thought out , on major issues only, delivered in a statesman like manner.

[johnofgwent]

keeping Israel, out of public comment ,

That is impossible. Commenting about the shabby tactics of the Israeli government  and Benjamin Netanayu's  doubtful nature is not antisemitic.
Starmer has painted himself into a corner.

I agree the reality is that  to criticize Israeli, government tactics does not reflect on anyone other than that government.  For political purposes that is not an accepted fact in British politics. And if the Labour Party seriously wants unity in its own ranks it should not destroy its self over the policies of a foreign state.
Starmer, is only in a corner  if it is accepted that Labour is  two entities that can not live together . If so that's not his doing. He believes in MPs keeping their own council on this issue and by doing so showing discipline and unity. They are going to be painted antisemitic , every time the subject of Israel, comes out, truthful or not. It's obvious what they should do if they don't want to be laughed out of any possibility of casting off unwarranted antisemitic allegations.

So how does he win. Take a knee at Auswitz ? Or just keep saying no comment every time Netanuahu acts to further the cause of zionism ?

basically, the only way this is really going ot be resolved is for Labour to have a good, long look at the speech Gerald Kaufmann made a while ago and either destroy him (which will please his puppet masters in the knesset) or beatigy him (which will have the times of israel and jewish chronicle making the same noises about starmer that they made about corbyn, that no labour leader who is not a "FRIEND OF ISRAEL" can be allowed.....

[Good old]

keeping Israel, out of public comment ,

That is impossible. Commenting about the shabby tactics of the Israeli government  and Benjamin Netanayu's  doubtful nature is not antisemitic.
Starmer has painted himself into a corner.

I agree the reality is that  to criticize Israeli, government tactics does not reflect on anyone other than that government.  For political purposes that is not an accepted fact in British politics. And if the Labour Party seriously wants unity in its own ranks it should not destroy its self over the policies of a foreign state.
Starmer, is only in a corner  if it is accepted that Labour is  two entities that can not live together . If so that's not his doing. He believes in MPs keeping their own council on this issue and by doing so showing discipline and unity. They are going to be painted antisemitic , every time the subject of Israel, comes out, truthful or not. It's obvious what they should do if they don't want to be laughed out of any possibility of casting off unwarranted antisemitic allegations.

[papasmurf]

keeping Israel, out of public comment ,

That is impossible. Commenting about the shabby tactics of the Israeli government  and Benjamin Netanayu's  doubtful nature is not antisemitic.
Starmer has painted himself into a corner.

[Good old]

Having read the original article again, I think another big part of this is that it was openly critical of Starmer himself and pretty much claiming that more left wing Labour voters should desert the party - you can't really have someone on your front bench advocating those kind of things.

If he wants unity he can't have a front bench that doesn't toe his line. This subject must have been gone over time and again. It may be disingenuous to a degree ,but if keeping Israel, out of public comment ,is the required policy simply because it's a no win situation for Labour, then that's what she should have adhered to.
Labour have been boxed into a corner on this ,the mere  mention of Israel, brings out the anti-semitism band box. If she didn't know that then she didn't even deserve to be in a shadow cabinet .

[Javert]

Having read the original article again, I think another big part of this is that it was openly critical of Starmer himself and pretty much claiming that more left wing Labour voters should desert the party - you can't really have someone on your front bench advocating those kind of things.

[Borchester]

  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53187789

I reckon ( and suspect that Keir Starmer agrees with me) that he would be a total numb nuts if he gave little Becky any job higher than scaring the birds of Wozel's allotment. But you never know. Central to the Labour party's thinking there appears a nigh on irresistible desire to snatch failure from the jaws of most everything and go down into glorious defeat. So we shall see.